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10-10-2002, 09:54 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Vermont | | | Term for imitating another melody in a solo
Hey fellas, I am a slabber but have a question I am sure most of you can answer forthwith. What is the term/jargon used when a musician takes a solo and uses melodies from other songs in an obvious manner? I know it has a name but cannot recall what it is.
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10-10-2002, 10:42 PM
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Developer: iGigBook® | | Join Date: May 2000 Location: Peoples Republic of Brooklyn | | | Quoting??? |
10-10-2002, 10:48 PM
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10-11-2002, 12:09 AM
| | | | It's called a 'quote'. These generally garner the same reaction as a pun, with rare exception. |
10-11-2002, 03:15 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Yeah we call it quoting over here as well and usually get the "cringe" as Ray mentions - like quoting "Run Rabbit Run" in a solo over the changes to Ellington's "CottonTail" ! 
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10-11-2002, 09:46 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: New Albany, MS | | | I disagree. When used RIGHT, quoting can be very cool. There weren't a lot of solos that Dexter didn't quote something to great effect in. Mingus did it also; I believe quoting Dixie over a tune to make a political statement (Fables of Faubus?), as well as quoting Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King" in another. IMHO, a nicely placed quote, sometimes one that goes against the grain can be just as creative as anything else the soloist can do.
Monte
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10-11-2002, 09:57 AM
| | | Quote: Originally posted by Ray Parker
These generally...rare exception. | As I said above.
Some people can make a pun or joke humorous and some cain't. |
10-11-2002, 10:07 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: New Albany, MS | | Quote: Originally posted by Ray Parker
As I said above.
Some people can make a pun or joke humorous and some cain't. | Good point. I missed that.
Monte
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10-11-2002, 05:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Vermont | | | I really wasn't questioning its legitimacy, but was curious as to the term used imply it. Quote as it were. Whether it is in good taste would depend on who, when, where and how in my estimation. Thanks to all.
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10-14-2002, 12:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York, New York | | | It's totally ok to quote other musicians. Classical composers did it all the time. Elgar loved to quote Mendelssohn.
Stravinsky once said "good composers borrow, great composers steal"
in fact his melody in movment 7 (vivo) in the pulcinella suite is stolen from a small time composer that was friends with stravinsky |
10-14-2002, 05:17 PM
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We're not quite talking about the same thing. The thread is about quoting other tunes when improvising. As Ed points out, intent is what matters. If a guy just suddenly hears it and puts it out there, it's one thing. But studiously preparing which quotes you'll have ready to use for a particular tune is contrived, transparent, and will cost you respect.
Classical composers borrowing one another's ideas in some instances is taken to mean respect. Also, what matters is what is done with the idea. I can prove to you that Mozart, not Beethoven, wrote the Ode to Joy theme. What cannot be denied is the tour de force that Beethoven made out of it. Borrowing the idea does not diminish the man at all.
Injudicious quoting in jazz can, though.
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10-14-2002, 06:40 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tracy CA | | | How do you all feel about quoting a passage for humorous effect. We all know some passages that make us smile.
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10-14-2002, 08:38 PM
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True story: I was having a lesson with Michael Moore in December. He would play piano while I played his bass. Moore students know that the first tune you learn in thumb position is Out Of Nowhere. In the middle of my solo, I have no idea why it happened but I realized I had just played Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer. I was embarassed as hell, but it was honest, and he (we) just laughed our a$$es off. If I thought about it in advance, I should have been shot dead.
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