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Old 08-09-2009, 09:49 PM
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Hey guys, not a gig story but I think this is the best place for it anyway..

Just thought I'd share my band's awful studio experience this weekend.

A student at a certain sound engineering college contacted us via MySpace, wanting a band for a recording.

We accept the offer - hey we might get something we can release later, even if we have to get the masters and remix.. the college's studio looks pretty good.

Anyway, we're all rehearsed, have given the student engineer (let's call him Ali) song-sheets, equipment rundown etc etc, he even has live recordings.

Plan is our drummer get there first, sets up drums, and soundchecks. I get a call before I arrive "What sort of drum sound do I want?"

"err.. have you asked the drummer?" "don't we just get a reasonable sound then make adjustments later?" I tell him "just make it sound like Joy Division" (it transpires later that he has no idea who Joy Division are)

I get there an hour after the drummer.. all miced up, ready to go I think!

But no! After myself and guitar are set up (we are DIing for now so we don't spill into drums), he THEN starts to soundcheck! Our drummer's been there and they have just been waiting for us to arrive, before starting.. incredible.



All this while, the two student engineers say about 4 words to us, and only in reply to us asking them something.

OK, so we get the drums soundchecked, we go for a listen, it all sounds a bit feeble to us. But no worry! We just need more microphones on the kit. This takes another 20 minutes.

All this while the 2 engineers barely speak to one another except for when Ali barks orders to his assistant 'Karl'. They seem to not like each other very much. Ali has a pungent aroma all of his own, so perhaps it's no wonder. We try to stay out of the control room, which has Air-con set to 25 degrees for some reason. I figure perhaps Ali is trying to simulate a Bombay-Calcutta express like environment for himself.

We then move on to giving us a headphone mix for the band, so we can hear the guitar, bass and vocals.

Unfortunately, the guitars and bass sound totally distorted as if the batteries are running down somewhere. A horrible sound, which then becomes totally inaudible when we all start to play. This is blamed on our effects boards, so we end up going straight in. Not what you tend to do with electric guitar (bass maybe), but hey, we just want to record.

The problem remains.. distorted.. or inaudible..

I try to explain this to Ali. He looks at me like I'm out of my mind and that I am being unreasonable to expect the instruments to be audible and clean through headphones. I'm not actually sure he understands me at all.

I pare down my use of the English language to a very very basic level in an attempt to accommodate him. "Yes, no, good, bad, louder, distorted'

This is made doubly difficult by his inability to use the studios talkback. We spend half our time saying "Ali? Ali? Hello? Can you hear me? ALI?!" and waving madly through the glass.

We attempt to soldier on and go for a take. As soon as the drums start (which are not going thru the headphones), the guitar bass and vocal become inaudible.. we can just about hear the vocal, which sounds like it is going through a telephone.

We've had enough. 3 hours have gone by and we can't even get a headphone monitor mix for a simple 3-piece band. We tell Ali we are taking a break, hopefully he can track down the problem before we get back.

We break for 40 minutes...

Upon our return, we try again.. nothing has changed. In fact it seems worse. Ali says he doesn't know what it is, but it is clear he hasn't even really tried to track the problem down.

We decide to screw the separation, we will record our amps, just monitor the vocals.

We go for a take. We can't even hear the vocals but we play a good take of our first song, great.

"How was that Ali? Hello, Ali? Ali?"

"Yes"

"How was that?"

"Yes"

"Did you get a good take?"

"---"

"Ali??"

"Yes?"

"Did you record that?"

"No"

"F***!!"


So, we play it again. Again when we are finished there is deafening silence from behind the glass. Karl is looking at his monitor. Ali is just standing there (we are beginning to think he's on the mushrooms).

Finally we've had enough. We play though half the songs from our set, one after another. In between songs not a word is uttered from the control room.

We are patient guys (even our drummer, who deals with the mentally ill on a daily basis is pissed off), but we've REALLY had enough this time!

We brave the control-room to tell Ali (not for the first time) that he needs to COMMUNICATE with us.

He proceeds to tell us how good he is, how he's recorded lots of bands and that he's doing a great job.

I tell him no, he is wrong. He is not doing a good job and we are leaving, it's just been a total waste of time and we are not putting up with it!

He just shrugs his shoulders "OK then".

And that is the last he says to us.

Unbelievable!


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Old 08-09-2009, 10:18 PM
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A student at a certain sound engineering college contacted us via MySpace, wanting a band for a recording.
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Unbelievable!
What part about it is unbelievable? A student contacted you. Did you really think anyone worthwhile would have to seek out bands to record?

Sounds like you expected to get something for nothing, but you ended up with exactly what you paid for.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:28 PM
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What part about it is unbelievable? A student contacted you. Did you really think anyone worthwhile would have to seek out bands to record?

Sounds like you expected to get something for nothing, but you ended up with exactly what you paid for.
No I don't think we expected something for nothing at all. I think we thought we might get a couple of demo tracks from it. And, that we would aid someone in their learning process.

That seems like a reasonable 'deal'.

We certainly weren't expecting that much.

Just normal human behavior would have been a good starting point though.

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What part about it is unbelievable? A student contacted you. Did you really think anyone worthwhile would have to seek out bands to record?

Sounds like you expected to get something for nothing, but you ended up with exactly what you paid for.

You're not coming out of left field on this, though the OP is certainly right to call out how wierd that is too. That student isnt going to learn if he didnt say anything (though it might be he didnt learn anything even though the OP did say something, but thats not important here)

Lord knows, communications skills serve people well everywhere, not just in a studio.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:30 PM
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He proceeds to tell us how good he is, how he's recorded lots of bands and that he's doing a great job.
I'd say that this is actually the worst part of it all. Its an honest thing to be learning the stuff, but the least you can do is acknowledge the fact that you might not be doing a pro job yet.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:31 PM
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I've had a nearly identical experience to this. Ali and Karl will have a lot to discuss with their instructors, especially when they end up with a big lump of crap to show for their efforts. It is frustrating for the band too, because, even though Ali and Karl are noobs and students, the band was hoping for the best.

Here's the lesson I learned in this situation: You are not really there to get a free demo, even though the student engineer sells you on that point. You are the equivalent of guinea pigs to the laboratory. If you get anything beyond frustration and a waste of time from these experiments, it is a miracle. Even if Ali and Karl had actually succeeded in getting some tracks down, they would have mangled them into an embarassing mess before it was over.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:38 PM
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Sounds like a real need for less Shrooms, more Communication and less Currey for lunch.
Jeez I've gotten good recordings from the band all in one room, no isolation and a single take or two. Better luck next time.
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I've had similar experiences going down to recording colleges... not to this extreme but still similar.
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Karl is looking at his monitor. Ali is just standing there (we are beginning to think he's on the mushrooms).
This cracked me up for some reason.
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Old 08-10-2009, 05:11 PM
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mmm, we were offered to rehearse in the SAE (international sound engineering college) studio's

and, we're goin to take the offer, I mean, otherwise we rehearse in a room (high seeling, even walls) that doesn't sound perfect anyway, and at least the studio sounds better,

If we walk away with a doable recording, so much the better, but after reading this post, I've allready learned not to get my hopes uper
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unfortunatly most college students when it comes to recording will only do a good job if they've got something to gain from doing it well.
those who will use it as part of their course should try hard to acheive it a good recording, and then you have those lazy few who just don't care and it's something to do
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This is bloody hysterical

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This is bloody hysterical

Another chapter in the book you'll (hopefully) one day write
Hey glad you found it amusing!

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Sounds like Ali and Karl are right on their way to becoming the standard sound guys in the standard low-end rock club.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:50 AM
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I got this job offer from a friend once. We'll play my wife's birthday party he says and a sound engineer from the local college will come in and record it. We practiced and practiced and when I got there this kid is recording the group on a stereo VHS unit. I never did hear the recordings in the end. Probablly a good thing. I sure wish I had my Zoom H2 20 years ago though.
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Air-con set to 25 degrees for some reason. I figure perhaps Ali is trying to simulate a Bombay-Calcutta express like environment for himself.
LMAO you've really been in a Bombay-Calcutta express? ask me about it!
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When I was going to school for audio, half of the seniors there could barely get all of the equipment to work. Getting a band in the studio was a wakeup call for a lot of them, because it showed them just how little they knew. Unfortunately, any time a student at a school asks you to come record, you have to go in expecting to be volunteering your time, and in the end should not expect to get anything worthwhile recorded. For the student running the session it will be a great learning experience (which is what an assignment like this is supposed to be), but for the band coming in to record it is iffy at best.
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We go for a take. We can't even hear the vocals but we play a good take of our first song, great.

"How was that Ali? Hello, Ali? Ali?"

"Yes"

"How was that?"

"Yes"

"Did you get a good take?"

"---"

"Ali??"

"Yes?"

"Did you record that?"

"No"
If I had been there, this would be the point where I go ballistic and throw my guitar through the control room glass.

Students or not, those guys sound like such douchebags.
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I'm sorry the OP had to suffer such a bizarre experience. I wonder if the German sound tech at the club gig in Iowa my band played last Saturday night went to the same school to learn about recording and sound mixing? I won't go into detail other than he wasn't into communicating with the band much at all, and he mixed us, a blues based/classic rock/ jam band as if he was doing a euro style techno rave! Yes there really can be such a thing as subwoofer abuse!
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ROFLMAO!!!

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(even our drummer, who deals with the mentally ill on a daily basis is pissed off)
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