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Old 06-27-2010, 12:19 PM
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I'll state at the front that this is not a plea for sympathy so if you're of that bent knock yourself out... you're wrong. Again.


Had a gig about 3 1/2 hours away yesterday, have another one 5 1/2 hours away next week and I was asked to carpool and use my car on that one with compensation. I agreed. Normally we'd have a bus.

The guy I'm carpooling with next week called me Thursday to see if I wanted to ride with him this week. I'm fine driving alone (actually prefer it) but agreed to ride with him. I've worked with him for a couple of years now but had never ridden with him.

I'm not a good side-seat driver (just ask my wife) but I bit my tongue the entire trip down (other than mentioning he was running a red light in a camera'd intersection). About an hour into the trip I smell what I thought was a skunk, turns out he had lit a joint. Nice. No conversation about it, just fires it up. Like I said, bit my tongue, figuring (perhaps incorrectly) that worse case we get stopped, jailed... at least I know I'll pass a urine test

He's also one of those frequently distracted drivers so I kept my eye on the road the entire trip and he constantly looked for stuff in the car while taking his eyes off the road for seconds at a time. Still kept quiet. When we got there we agreed I'd drive back.

The event planner got us together and explained the plan. After the wedding party came in and we took our first break we were free to eat and drink whatever we wanted. Not sure exactly how he did it but almost before she got finished saying that he was walking back to the meeting with a beer. The leader reminded him that we were supposed to wait until the first break... he apparently heard the word "drink" and went on autopilot.

So he hit the open bar at every opportunity. This came through in his playing, as he would start songs alone as soon as the title was mentioned vs. waiting to begin propperly and couldn't keep from playing for a bar or two after we'd end the songs. We get finished the gig (it went great overall as usual), packed up and as I go to get in the truck I see an open beer in the center console... and five more in the passenger side floor. I told him that I can't allow an open container in the car while I am driving.

You'd think I'd call his mom a tramp. He really wanted to drink those beers so we ended up in a really stupid 15 minute discussion along with the leader, lead vocalist and drummer. It got to the point where I asked if they had room in their car, I'd ride with them.

Here's the (il)logic at work:

1. He didn't think there was any law against open containers despite all of us telling him otherwise.

2. Besides, it was his car and he should be able to do what he wanted. After all, he was nice enough to use his car for the trip.

3. If I didn't want to drive with an open container, he would. Because he's had way more to drink before than he had that day/night and nothing had happened.

4. Nothing would happen.

5. If something did happen, he'd pay the ticket for me. When I asked if he'd also clear up my record, he reverted to number 4.

6. (my favorite) people drink on busses and planes. What's the difference?

I explained that the reason I can't get pulled over for an open container is because I'm not going to put myself in that position to begin with when I'm in control and responsible. Period.

This is the condensed version of course. He finally decided to go along and not drink in the car and we got on the road. That of course didn't stop the conversation. What if this was a bus? What's the difference? At this point I'm talking to him as if he's a child:

"Because it's a car and no matter how many questions you ask it will neither be a bus or a plane". After about twenty minutes of that (I am easily amused) he moved onto the fact that I hadn't said anything about him firing up a joint, to which I said I should've said something but I decided to deal with it while he was driving and keep an eye on him. Then onto the hypothetical...

What if it wasn't illegal? My answer was I still wouldn't choose to be in a car with it.

What if this truck was a bus? How about a plane?

One of my answers was "What if it were a handtruck? Or a pony? What time would we get back?"

He finally got bored with me shooting everything down and changed the subject. We made a couple of stops so he could drink a beer and smoke a joint outside the car, I got us back in one piece with no other drama. I had told him we weren't carpooling next week before we left, after he wound down he said we could still carpool and he'd abide by what I asked. I told him nope, no hard feelings but if he got into the same state next week the same conversation could easily arise. That would be my fault based on what I now knew. Besides, I couldn't relax while he drove because he was all over the road. So I'll drive... alone. Like I usually do.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:33 PM
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What if this truck was a bus?
Most open container laws have express exceptions for buses. For example, I see you are in Maryland. The applicable exception is in section (c)(1) of this statute:

http://law.justia.com/maryland/codes/gcr/10-125.html

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How about a plane?
Open container laws typically apply to motor vehicles. A plane is not a motor vehicle as defined in those statutes.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:44 PM
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Most open container laws have express exceptions for buses. For example, I see you are in Maryland. The applicable exception is in section (c)(1) of this statute:

http://law.justia.com/maryland/codes/gcr/10-125.html



Open container laws typically apply to motor vehicles. A plane is not a motor vehicle as defined in those statutes.


I knew all of this. I told him to google it when he got home...in the meantime, I wasn't driving with an open beer in the car. It's dumb.

I saw no reason to get into drivers being commercially licensed or any of the particulars in the nonsensical "parallels" he was bringing up. He was probably drunk/high at the time. Bottom line, I wasn't driving and I wasn't riding if he drove.


Forgot to mention, I did tell him he could get in the back floor of his Pathfinder behind the gear and drink away. He didn't care for that idea.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:48 PM
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whoa! Get a new friend.
I'm still cool with the guy after this. We just won't be in the same vehicle. Problem solved.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:05 PM
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But what if it was Tuesday?
Just trying to follow his logic......
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But what if it was Tuesday?
Just trying to follow his logic......
Actually, it's illegal to buy or sell alcohol in Indiana on Sundays...I know it's only a smidgen relative, but still relative :P
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:09 PM
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... and cloudy?



Honestly I spent most of the time trying to keep a straight face. Weed logic is the best.
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thats a sucky situation. I do prefer to travel alone too, but w/ gas prices (and crappy gig pay) these days it just makes sense to car pool.

I guess you need to live and learn w/ you band mates . . . I doubt you'll be making that mistake again.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:20 PM
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thats a sucky situation. I do prefer to travel alone too, but w/ gas prices (and crappy gig pay) these days it just makes sense to car pool.

I guess you need to live and learn w/ you band mates . . . I doubt you'll be making that mistake again.
You are correct, sir. Like I said, no hard feelings here, live and learn. The attempts to sway me were pretty funny.
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... and cloudy?



Honestly I spent most of the time trying to keep a straight face. Weed logic is the best.
That was no weed logic, that sounded more like 'inebriated idiot' logic.
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RE talking your 'buddy' out of drinking while you're driving: you're right, of course, and you already know that.

Best case scenario: nothing happens, and your buddy feels justified and will pull this stunt again and again....

Worst case scenario: you get in an accident and someone gets killed, the police find open liquor in the vehicle, and then you're looking at some serious jail time. Who may be at fault is irrelevant at this point, you're the one who'll pay the price.

Nothing is worth that.

If your 'buddy' can't understand that (and many don't), he's a moron.
Like I said, you already know you're right.
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..... I couldn't relax while he drove because he was all over the road.
Obviously he does the same thing when he's by himself. He really doesn't deserve a driving license.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:30 PM
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RE talking your 'buddy' out of drinking while you're driving: you're right, of course, and you already know that.

Best case scenario: nothing happens, and your buddy feels justified and will pull this stunt again and again....

Worst case scenario: you get in an accident and someone gets killed, the police find open liquor in the vehicle, and then you're looking at some serious jail time. Who may be at fault is irrelevant at this point, you're the one who'll pay the price.

Nothing is worth that.

If your 'buddy' can't understand that (and many don't), he's a moron.
Like I said, you already know you're right.
I guess I didn't so much talk him out of drinking while I was driving as simply telling him what I was not going to do.


I didn't say anything to the agency that books this band but it turns out the leader of the band did. I got an email this afternoon apologizing for what happened. I told them it was no big deal, lesson learned. Because really, it wasn't a big deal for me... I just was not going to drive with an open container in the vehicle.

So now they're looking at chartering a bus for this weekend, which is what they should've done before instead of trying to maximize their cut. If you have four or five vehicles going to a gig 5 1/2 hours away, any problems with almost any of those vehicles and the gig is screwed up. It's not worth the risk IMO IME...

which is how this post began.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:31 PM
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That was no weed logic, that sounded more like 'inebriated idiot' logic.
Since both were factors, draw the line where you see fit.


It certainly didn't clear his mind.
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What you do on your time is your business. What you do on band time, including driving to and from gigs is my businss and that business includes no drugs. It also includes disobeying orders, which he probably did because he was on drugs. I would fire this guy now.
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I don't mess around anymore. I have 2 kids at home, and I wouldn't risk anything so that someone can drink a few beers. No way, no how.
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I would fire this guy now.
That was my first thought.
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I don't mess around anymore. I have 2 kids at home, and I wouldn't risk anything so that someone can drink a few beers. No way, no how.
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FYI & BTW & FWIW, etc....it is possible to fail a urine test if you were breathing second hand smoke from weed.

Even if you don't get stopped by the law, if your employer does random drug screens, somebody like that could mess you up.
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:33 AM
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Most open container laws have express exceptions for buses. For example, I see you are in Maryland. The applicable exception is in section (c)(1) of this statute:

http://law.justia.com/maryland/codes/gcr/10-125.html



Open container laws typically apply to motor vehicles. A plane is not a motor vehicle as defined in those statutes.
I'm fairly sure those laws apply to the operators of said vehicles, though. That's the point I believe Brad was attempting (and failing) to make with this brainless individual.
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