Do you guys know any 'dreamers'?

BrandonBass · #1 10-30-2006, 01:50 PM

dreamers as in guys who wanna make it big and be rich and famous...

its funny, i know 2 guys who happen to be singer(wannbes) and when i asked them what their goals...

him: to make it big
me: how big?
him: worldwide...
me: hate to say it, but its unlikely man
him: why?
me: u need the right image, right songs, and talent
him: u forgot 1 thing
me: what
him: determination and a dream

after trying to convince him its not easy as he thought, he kept ranting about going after his dreams and whatnot

and the funny thing is, this guy is like 23 and doesnt play an instrument and he cant sing to save his life. and he insist on doing old school rock and wrecking his throat trying to mimick axl rose...

another dude is this guitarist/singer who cant sing and can only play some chords sloppily and cant do any impressive solo

anyways im not tryin to put down anyone who dedicate their life to doing music professionally. im just find it funny that there are people with sucks and they one they thought itd be cool to form a band and get famous...

anyone knows similar characters?

RLT · #2 10-30-2006, 02:21 PM

I'll get stomped for this one but I have to say it.

Most of the origionals bands I've delt with. About 80% of the "song writers" in the world fall into this catagory too.

jady · #3 10-30-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RLT

I'll get stomped for this one but I have to say it.

Most of the origionals bands I've delt with. About 80% of the "song writers" in the world fall into this catagory too.

+1 I'll take the stomping with you.

If you go into music to "make it big" you are in it for the wrong reason and you will most likely fail. The odds are much better that you will win the lottery so sell your gear and buy lottery tickets. You will earn much more $$$ that way.

Steve · #4 10-30-2006, 04:04 PM

I spent years with a guy like that.

"What makes YOU think I don't have what it takes?"

"Ah.... well, for starters, you're 57 years old."

Dreams die hard and that's how it sould be.

Stanley Design · #5 10-30-2006, 04:42 PM

I'm going to be famous eventually, maybe not with music, or a band, but I'll be famous. Not rich though, I'll never be rich unless I win the lottery.

Matthew Bryson · #6 10-30-2006, 05:01 PM

Dreamers - Like a 35 year old guitarist / song writer who has marginal vocal skills, sub par guitar skills, and can't stay sober for a band rehearsal - But insists that he was born to be a rock star and won't give up until he makes it. I played with a guy like that for awhile. It’s sad really.

chaosMK · #7 10-30-2006, 08:49 PM

My goal is to put together a CD that I'm proud of and go on tour for a few months. I think with the right planning and business mentality it's a reasonable goal.

With the way the music industry works these days, I am not sure if making it "big" (as in money) even exists anymore.

CoDBassPlayer · #8 10-30-2006, 08:58 PM

Don't we all secretely want to make it big and famous?

Maybe that's just me and my childish dreams, I've accepted the fact I won't make it big. But damn, it'd be awesome.

I don't know anyone who truly believes they can be, I do know a few people who would love to, but know they need something to fall back on, unlike those losers in the beginning of the RHCP 'Tell me Baby' video who didn't even graduate from high school.

bassbully43 · #9 10-30-2006, 09:23 PM

Yep its sad i have seen people like these and others in alot of forms thru the years...sports,music etc...a few people say hey your pretty good next thing you know they think they are superstars and will make it big.I dont agree about the earlier post on original bands. Some are in it to try to get the big time some are in to make and play their own music to hear a crowd respond to and possibly buy and get local radio play...i know of such a band who has recieved this and are very happy with the limited status they have recieved and they dont think they will ever be rock stars...they just love making there own music and they are very good.We have another local band who has star written all over them and is on the edge of maybe getting there. They sold the rights to one of their originals to a big name wanna be deva type MTV singer and so they made $$ for it...not to bad. They are now getting attention and exposure for them they rock and i hope they get there. So you never know...dream with talent ..yes dream without...no...some will never know they dont have it...just watch American Idol

BrandonBass · #10 10-30-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CoDBassPlayer

Don't we all secretely want to make it big and famous?

Maybe that's just me and my childish dreams, I've accepted the fact I won't make it big. But damn, it'd be awesome.

I don't know anyone who truly believes they can be, I do know a few people who would love to, but know they need something to fall back on, unlike those losers in the beginning of the RHCP 'Tell me Baby' video who didn't even graduate from high school.

im sure, many of us has secretly dreamed of it...but i know its unlikely to happen. i mean if say a reasonably young guy who looks pretty good and actually HAVE talent tells me his dream is to make it famous then i would think hes just being ambitious....and i admire this kind of people

but on the other hand, there are this people who have no charisma and talent but only 'dreams'....theres a term for them: wannabes... if they wanna be the new william hung den maybe they still hav a chance

anyways, whats ur beef with those people in the rhcp video man

FaithNoMan · #11 10-31-2006, 12:47 AM

I say let people have their dreams...if you "know" they won't succeed, then telling them that is like throwing salt in a wound - give 'em another way out.

..unless they rub it in your face all the time..I can see how that would be annoying....

I'm 29, and want my finger to heal, so I can play in a band that makes original music - that's my dream.

I really could care less about the money...whatever it takes to get the bills paid, and somehow find the time to play with people I enjoy being around.

DumbChild · #12 10-31-2006, 04:16 AM

My dream is to play bass. Wether im famous or not i want to play it onstage somewhere.

But on the other hand i believe i have the skills, talent and looks to be more then that. Doesn't mean im dropping my day job :3

RLT · #13 10-31-2006, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BrandonBass

dreamers as in guys who wanna make it big and be rich and famous...

im just find it funny that there are people with sucks and they one they thought itd be cool to form a band and get famous...

anyone knows similar characters?

In the contex of the OP. Most of the original bands I have interacted with fit most of these requirements.

Also most of the singer/songwriters will fit most of these.

You have the original bands going out and paying to play. They just know that a rep will walk in and sign them. Fit's the first line perfectly. Most of them fit the second as well.

Song writers have always fit these requirments. The dream that the next song will be the one that makes it is what keeps them going.

I made good money for many years playing hired gun for these "dreamers". I don't put anyone down for their dreams. This is just my experiance from growing up around bands.

PalaNIN · #14 10-31-2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chaosMK

My goal is to put together a CD that I'm proud of and go on tour for a few months. I think with the right planning and business mentality it's a reasonable goal.

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Originally Posted by DumbChild

My dream is to play bass. Wether im famous or not i want to play it onstage somewhere.

But on the other hand i believe i have the skills, talent and looks to be more then that. Doesn't mean im dropping my day job :3

I believe these both summed it up for me. Just being able to record something that means a lot to me and represents a lot of time and effort, and giving that to people would be enough. Playing onstage is just for the adrenaline rush though

RWP · #15 10-31-2006, 06:58 AM

What is sad are the people that ARE good but don't have the drive and ambition to take their talent to the world. I know several in this class. I use to play with a guitar player that could keep up with any out there. He was a great guy but going big just wasn't something he wanted.
So IMHO desire is a more important part of success than talent!

BuffaloMO · #16 10-31-2006, 07:15 AM

I think that everyone is a little bit of a dreamer. Whether you admit it or not everyone wants to achieve great things. There would be no point to life if you didn't have any dreams, so if it doesn't hurt anyone else DREAM AWAY!

guy n. cognito · #17 10-31-2006, 07:15 AM

My previous band interview a singer who had dreams of "making it big." He was 41 years old, hadn't been in a working band since 1989, couldn't play and instrument and was only a decent singer. Despite that, he spent his entire audition telling us how he was "on the verge of worldwide success" and that his career was finally kicking into overdrive.

You have to feel sorry for someone who spends 26 years chasing a "dream" and never gets any closer.

VanillaO · #18 10-31-2006, 07:46 AM

A lot of music these days isn't based around being able to sing like Robert Plant or to shred a solo like Mustaine (or even Page).. a lot of it is just catchy pop ****. You don't even need half a nut to write the crap that some bands come up with. I like to just fiddle on my bass, work out riffs, and provide some rhythm.. My buddy on guitar likes to do more of a Frusciante approach (on Stadium) with layering of simple lines and maybe the odd solo of a few bars that isn't complicated. You dont' need to be technicially proficient to write a bunch of songs that will sell millions.. You just need enough know how and the right attitude. It's my dream to be big (not for the money), but I keep it as that. A dream (/highly unrealistic goal). Bass is more of a hobby for me unless some record company is like 'here's money go make a sweet record'

Relic · #19 10-31-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

I think that everyone is a little bit of a dreamer. Whether you admit it or not everyone wants to achieve great things. There would be no point to life if you didn't have any dreams, so if it doesn't hurt anyone else DREAM AWAY!

+1 There you go, good one Buster.
I think that being a "dreamer" goes hand in hand with being a musician. Maybe to more or lesser extents depending on the individual of course, but we're ALL dreamers IMHO.

I'm proud of all that I've accomplished up to this point musically and if I had to retire from music altogether, I would do so satisfied.
However, if I told you that I wouldn't like to be a rich and famous "rock star", I'd be lying my arse off.
I look at it this way - I play bass/music simply because it's what I do best, and it's a part of who I am, but I will never fully close any doors, or cease to look for opportunity simply because "I'm too old" or "I dont look like Johnny Depp"? Screw that, when I'm dead is when I stop dreaming, until then I'll keep playing and enjoying the hell out of the ride

ElMon · #20 10-31-2006, 09:08 AM

I'd say to always remember that we do this for the love of it first and foremost. I spent some time in LA with a cat who literally was at the doorstep of "makin" it. His album was recorded by Mike Elizando, and guys like Joey Waronker played on it, all financed by old school Hollywood Guru Lou Adler. We were playin for celebrities, livin in Malibu, being courted by Universal and EMG, etc.

In short, it really felt like we had arrived, until it all fell down like a house of cards, and for such a stupid petty reason that I almost jumped into the Pacific Ocean. Thruout all that crap, and not to mention the logistics of living in a city like LA (craptastic IMO), I had to constantly remind myself that makin good music is really what it means to have 'made' it.

If I end up being a poor and humble musician that no ones heard of, but who can fully express any musical idea I might have with unparalleled virtuosity, than F$#k all the rest of it!!!! You can have your TRL and your red carpet fame!!!