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Old 11-28-2011, 08:45 AM
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Ok, we used a sub drummer this past weekend. A bit better than the other drummer but also has some bad habits such as playing loud (if you play loud, the singers have to sing louder...a no no), adding fancy licks (which take away from the established pocket....no longer locked in.....a no no). Anyway, I usually go into a funk bass solo where I play a bar or 2 of about 10-12 songs. The instructions were..."just play the standard 4/4 w/the kick drum on the 1 & 3 and I'll handle the rest"!

777-9311 is one of the tunes! Why did he try to play the signature lick when I told him not to?? Especially when he CAN'T play that signature lick?!?! A few others he kept keying in on accents I was playing which were NOT working. How hard is it to just play a solid 4/4 w/kick on the 1 & 3?? It would have made his day a lot easier!!
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:57 AM
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I call it the "something to prove" complex. Some dudes just won't listen to reason no matter how polite or how many times you deliver the message. Guitarists and bass players can fill said role just as easily but IMO drummers make it the most offensive...probably because we're viewed as guilty by association of the rhythm section. I'm hardly god's gift to music but it drives me to madness when guys don't get the sense "hmmm...maybe this is just too much" after repeated feedback from everyone in the band, friends of the band, even occasional crowd comments...This was one of the reasons we tossed our last guy. In the studio it all comes out.
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Old 11-28-2011, 03:57 PM
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Well... drummers.

Only very few understand that sometimes, they need to play the dead simple bum-chack (or Gus-Tav as we germans call it) - and that they need to play it well, with passion and feel.

I usually tend to judge drummers on just this - how good they can play the simplest beats, be it the old bum-chack or a basic swing.
Many drummers regard that as "oh that's so simple, so boring" - but in fact it's not - it's a tough challenge.

When I audition a drummer, I usually ask them to "show me your bum-chack". If they say "why, that's boring man" I just say "there's the door".

Same goes for every player though. Overplaying is a plague that many musicians have caught. But I don't play with these guys. Music is a group effort, and everybody has to know their place.

So, DWBass, I can totally feel your pain. And that was a hired sub! If he goes ballistic in his own band - ok - that's his thing. But if he plays for pay, he should be able to set his ego aside and serve the music on the gig he was hired for - otherwise he's not a player, just a boasted ego.

On the other hand, I can understand the drummers. They sometimes spend years to learn all those complicated and challenging techniques and rudiments, polyrythmic syncopations over triplets and who knows what. It's very technically demanding and takes lots of practice and dedication, so they want to show all the work they did.
And that's fine. But a good drummer will play simple stuff if called for. And maybe once a night, he will take the liberty to show off - for a half bar - and wow every other drummer or musician in the audience. And that's fine.
Sadly though many drummers try to show off and solo all the time. "Something to prove" complex sums that up very well, AngryJohnny
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Old 11-28-2011, 04:25 PM
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We got lucky in a similar situation...

Last wednesday our drummer had an emmergency and cancelled on a gig less than 3 hours before we take the stage. Right before we play Im able to speak with the previous bands drummer, asking if he would be willing to sit in. He accepts. Without knowing our material or ever jamming with him before he manages to outperform our regular drummer, just by keeping a simple pockey and anticipating the changes. Wish our drummer would pull back a little bit at times...
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