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Old 11-25-2012, 10:48 AM
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But what's sad is that you don't necessarily have to be "stupid" to fall into the trap: just too credulous or searching for "guidance". That's what these guys play with, the need for guidance we all can feel at some point.
Yeah, exactly right! You don't HAVE TO be completely stupid, although it can help but I'm not even quite sure. Look at the number of super-clever and super-educated guys and gals you can find in sects! That's not a matter of intelligence or education.

These marketers/gurus use psychological triggers to abuse people, and people of all walks of life: they use "weaknesses" in their preys, be it a temporary weakness or "chronic" weakness: a guy who feels "stuck" in his progress, who doubts he can make it and suffers from that, is an ideal prey! It doesn't require more than that!

Why d'you think this guy Scott, after he's literally begged his visitors to give him their e-mail address, ends his rant by "And remember... believe in yourself, believe you can do it!" that comes completely out of the blue? And the close-up on his face, at this stage... the work of a cool guy who wants to give you everything or that of a guy who's watched hundreds of marketing videos and uses everything he can because he's become money-crazy? Come on!

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What too many people don't see is when the "guide" is only interested in their money! In the case of this Scott guy, it shows FROM MILES AWAY now!
Yeah... I'm not sure everybody sees that "from miles away", you know. Not to say I'm sure of the exact opposite. When somebody is in doubt/in a "weak state", he/she can be VERY blind and act VERY stupidly. I'm no exception! Just getting (a bit) older and experienced. So I think I can see a genuine, honest person when I see one now, better than I could before. But I'll probably get f...ooled again. Not so easily and certainly not that way, that's all.

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Old 11-25-2012, 11:32 AM
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Gotta love it. This is why no one should be teaching anything for free. I miss the old days where you found someone to teach you and you paid them unless they saw something in you and they wanted to mentor you for whatever reason. Now we live in an age where it's expected that you give your experience and expertise out for free (It's not unique to music either) or you are deemed unethical. I just don't get it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:48 AM
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Gotta love it. This is why no one should be teaching anything for free. I miss the old days where you found someone to teach you and you paid them unless they saw something in you and they wanted to mentor you for whatever reason. Now we live in an age where it's expected that you give your experience and expertise out for free (It's not unique to music either) or you are deemed unethical. I just don't get it.
Reminds me of an old saw about the Internet. There's lots if information out there, but knowledge is more elusive.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:01 PM
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Reminds me of an old saw about the Internet. There's lots if information out there, but knowledge is more elusive.
Hahahaha. Well said.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:15 PM
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The source:

http://youtu.be/ncFCdCjBqcE

Lesser known movie, some hilarious scenes.

Great movie. First thing I thought of while watching the clip in the OP. Couldn't take any of it seriously after that.

"Guru" and "charlatan" are not always synonymous but it often is the case.



"No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby."
H. L. Mencken

"It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."
W. C. Fields
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:37 PM
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"No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby."
H. L. Mencken
Unfortunately, that's true, most of the time. I've always been amazed at the small number of people who have the courage to vote with their feet!

Because it requires a form of courage to say "i've been wrong, I've misjudged, I've been abused, I've been fooled". Many people don't have this courage and find it more comfortable to "stick to their guns" (or lack thereof...) and support their misleader against all evidences. That's called "the consistency principle". It can be used for the better or for the worse, like so many things.

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"It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money."
W. C. Fields
"It's intellectually stupid to keep on giving money to a sucker."
Me

To be quite honest, I don't regret the donations I've made to this guy. He used to be a cool guy, provided some valuable content for free, so I was glad to support him with a couple of bucks. No regrets whatsoever. But now that (probably too much) money and certainly too much time spent at watching "webmarketing gurus" have turned him into this kind of stupid clown, I've totally deserted his website! I've voted with my feet. Or my mouse, rather.
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