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11-16-2006, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSuzie In addition to the image thing, there's also many situations where women walk a fine line WRT power dynamics when involved with a group of men. We are supposed to appear confident when performing but if we are too assertive within the group dynamic or musically, then we are suddnely called f'n b****es or ball cutters by some guys. With certain groups of guys any woman who doesn't come in with a butt kissin attitude isn't going to get the job. I'm not saying that this applies to all guys or all situations but it certainly is pretty common.
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S | Yeah, it is *very* common. It has taken me five years of hard work just to get a little respect from the guys in my area. I'm not just "that cute bass chick" anymore. I worked my butt off to earn that respect. 
We walk this fine line all the time.
That's why I think that a little exercise and a better diet would help Lowner, skinny or not, because it builds *confidence*. It seems to me that is the thing she needs most. Healthy confidence, and that self-assurance that strength brings. That goes a long, long way in how others perceive us.
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11-16-2006, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandonBass | Who is whining? (Besides the OP)
So, what you are trying to say is that it is the teeny boppers that should be catered to in the world?
GNR don't exist anymore. There is Axle Rose's (who is most definitely middle aged and not exactly thin) new band, but they are not GNR, I don't care if that is what he calls them.
The last time I checked the lead singer of metallica had short hair, and all of them are middle aged.
Same with RHCP with the exception of John Frusciante.
Look even Madonna is selling records being comfortably older than 40. Half of the people in Hollywood are over 40.
Dude, have you seen the Rolling Stones lately? Yeah lots of kids can relate to that image.
Maybe you think that the "teeny boppers" and the people who make TRL are the true arbiters of what is great in music. Poor you.
Image is one factor, no doubt, but I would not say it is the determinant factor of success in the music industry.
What is success in the music industry anyway? |
11-16-2006, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by studentaccount1 Who is whining? (Besides the OP)
So, what you are trying to say is that it is the teeny boppers that should be catered to in the world?
GNR don't exist anymore. There is Axle Rose's (who is most definitely middle aged and not exactly thin) new band, but they are not GNR, I don't care if that is what he calls them.
The last time I checked the lead singer of metallica had short hair, and all of them are middle aged.
Same with RHCP with the exception of John Frusciante.
Look even Madonna is selling records being comfortably older than 40. Half of the people in Hollywood are over 40.
Dude, have you seen the Rolling Stones lately? Yeah lots of kids can relate to that image.
Maybe you think that the "teeny boppers" and the people who make TRL are the true arbiters of what is great in music. Poor you.
Image is one factor, no doubt, but I would not say it is the determinant factor of success in the music industry.
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erm first off chill man, first off the 'whining' is directed at lowner who kept on going on about how other people cant accept her but she dont wanna change. And, i never claim that it is THE determinant factor. Of course music is more important, but the industry is highly competitive and if there're 2 bands of equal talent i suppose the one with the better image will hav the edge. As for success, its a very subjective thing. but from what i see, the general public view 'success' as fame and fortune
as for madonna, metallica, rhcp etc. people would still pay to see them because they are ALREADY famous long ago. No rocket science really. Its just like how people would still pay to see britney spears, Jennifer lopez or whatever years later.
and since when did i claim the teeny boopers are the what 'true arbiters' of music? man, thats deep. im not sure about that.
but i suppose a band will hav a higher chance of success if they appeal to a wider audience, yeah including the teeny boopers. |
11-16-2006, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by studentaccount1 How realistic are you by basing your argument on what happens to ". . .rock bands on any of the music channels. . ."?
I suppose the barometer for success as a musician is exposure on MTV?
I don't think Pink Floyd/Rush/Metallica are hurting for money despite being middle aged. Really though, even Flea is "getting up there".
Ok though, I will buy into your premise that the "quality" of the performer is based solely on public opinion and image.
Even if that were what determined if someone were "good", 2/3 of the top three rock albums are by people who are not young by any means, and 1/3 is by a rather overweight man. Maybe it isn't looks, but charisma or something else perhaps err... talent? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart...op+Rock+Albums
If Meatloaf and Weird Al are popular, how can it be based heavily on looks?
My Chemical Romance is not exact the poster child of poster children either. Yep, they're even kind of dorky if you ask me and they are #1. | floyd/rush/metallica and flea made and made a fan base it BEFORE getting older. Had they just started out today with the same music, many a record label would pass them up and say sorry too old.
You also overlook the fact that they still, even though older, dress and look the part. They don't dress like your typical old guy on stage. |
11-16-2006, 09:14 AM
| | I don't think, but I still am. | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: So. Cali | | | They're not that old. And they're not going to extremes to look the part. Also, the fact that they lasted this long is probably based more on their ability to play and perform than their maintaining of their image. So if they just started out now as nobodys but played with the skill that they play with now, I bet they'd still have very little difficulty getting signed. Maybe a little more difficulty, but not much.
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11-16-2006, 09:15 AM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: chicago, IL. | | | My comments on the subject were not meant to infer that someone who is hefty or older can't play music and have people enjoy it, or be a good muscian.
I was simply pointing out that if you are really trying to "make it," It's unlikely to happen if you are don't look the part.
Obviously some of you are too sensitive and took my comments too personally.
As for the, "dork rock," thing. Ya those guys dress like that on purpose, but you don't see many of those guys being the hottest act ever. |
11-16-2006, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ric1312 My comments on the subject were not meant to infer that someone who is hefty or older can't play music and have people enjoy it, or be a good muscian.
I was simply pointing out that if you are really trying to "make it," It's unlikely to happen if you are don't look the part.
Obviously some of you are too sensitive and took my comments too personally.
As for the, "dork rock," thing. Ya those guys dress like that on purpose, but you don't see many of those guys being the hottest act ever. | I think it is more in how you presented your thoughts than people taking them personally. |
11-16-2006, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by s.m.80808 I think it is more in how you presented your thoughts than people taking them personally. | You are a master of understatement. |
11-17-2006, 06:46 AM
|  | No need to ask, he's a smooth... Moderator | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: West Midlands UK | | I'vee been followng this thread, and I don't think I've seen anybody make this point yet... if I've missed it, I apologise.
The point? Oh yeah... image IS important, but mainly to kids. If a band wants to appeal to "the kids" them image is something they're really going to have to work on. Bands that appeal to older folks don't generally have to bother so much, because people are booking them for the music they make rather than someone for kids to look at/drool over/envy/aspire to etc etc etc. There are a few exceptions to this - Beatles tribute bands and the like, for example - but generally speaking image becomes less important to you as you get older.
I also think that most cool "imagery" of the bass hanging by your knees type is pretty transient; fashions come and go, and what looks cool now is going to look pretty dang stupid in 20 years. The history of pop culture teaches us this. So in 2026, these... 
... are going to look as silly as these do now... 
... and the folks who still want to hear ATDI type stuff won't want to look like that. So, that's how image becomes secondary when you're older. End of thesis.
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11-17-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bassybill I'vee been followng this thread, and I don't think I've seen anybody make this point yet... if I've missed it, I apologise.
The point? Oh yeah... image IS important, but mainly to kids. If a band wants to appeal to "the kids" them image is something they're really going to have to work on. Bands that appeal to older folks don't generally have to bother so much, because people are booking them for the music they make rather than someone for kids to look at/drool over/envy/aspire to etc etc etc. There are a few exceptions to this - Beatles tribute bands and the like, for example - but generally speaking image becomes less important to you as you get older.
I also think that most cool "imagery" of the bass hanging by your knees type is pretty transient; fashions come and go, and what looks cool now is going to look pretty dang stupid in 20 years. The history of pop culture teaches us this. So in 2026, these...
... are going to look as silly as these do now...
... and the folks who still want to hear ATDI type stuff won't want to look like that. So, that's how image becomes secondary when you're older. End of thesis. |
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11-17-2006, 03:57 PM
| | I don't think, but I still am. | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: So. Cali | | | +1 to Bassy Bill.
Can't wait until i have kids. Going to dress as I do now and they're going to think me so outdated. It's going to be awesome.
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11-18-2006, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer81 +1 to Bassy Bill.
Can't wait until i have kids. Going to dress as I do now and they're going to think me so outdated. It's going to be awesome. |  Excellent, Smithers.
This is what gets me thinking about fairly permanent self-mutilation done for the sake of fashion. Some people with a faceful of tattoos and metalwork are going to look ever so dumb to their kids and grandkids in a few years time. 
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11-22-2006, 10:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denver, CO | | When I parted ways with my last band (on very good terms), the bassist they hired to replace me happens to be a big-boned girl, who is very talented, and happens to be one of the most sought-after bassists in the area.
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11-22-2006, 12:54 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rochester, NY | | But images recycle themselves. Emo hair is practically Flock of Seagulls hair.  
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11-23-2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BillytheBassist Image is shallow,.... music is deep. | Yes image is shallow. However that is the music industry for you.
If you really want to make it in the music industry then your image has to be as good as your music. It sucks but the people who give you the deals aren't going to care for your feelings at all. All they care about is what will make them the most money. And people are shallow in that respect, they like to watch something pretty or entertaining when listening to the music.
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