Justifiable homicide

[Thunderfunk]

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. I would never, ever think of plugging into someone else's amp without asking first. Even if I had to go outside to find you. And the last time I turned a control up to 10 was when I was in high school playing Pipeline through our new Silvertone piggyback 2x12's, and we just had to have all the reverb they'd give up.

Originally Posted by steveksux

I was in a band, everyone had Shure SM58 mics, I had a Beyer ribbon mic.

A past girlfriend was a beautiful French girl who sang in my band. We bought matching Shure 58's. Her's got dropped, but still worked fine. We had engraved our names concealed on the ends of the mics. When we broke up, I noticed I had her mic, and she had mine. Now, you'll probably think it was an excuse for her to see me again, but I know she gave me hers 'cause it was dropped. Ain't love grand?

[steveksux]

We had engraved our names concealed on the ends of the mics

LOL, much better than wearing vials of each other's blood like Angelina Jolie....

Randy

[steveksux]

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. I would never, ever think of plugging into someone else's amp without asking first. Even if I had to go outside to find you.

+1000
I wouldn't either.... Even if I know I supposed to use it, I want to establish ground rules, quirks, can I tweak knobs , etc. It amazes me how brazen people are. Or it used to amaze me. Now I expect the worst, and am surprised when people do the RIGHT thing.... Seems I'm surprised less often than I used to be... But the surprises are happier.

Randy

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by steveksux

"shaking head in disbelief" Really, I can take a joke, no hard feelings... starting to wonder if you're just pulling my chain here... but I'll take you at face value...

Because you can and WILL walk up to them and say sorry, but no. Can't touch that. Don't have to be mean about it, just tell them it's not part of the deal. Owner can but won't. Should, but won't.

Which is what the proprietor did. You really don't get that?

Seriously, that isn't registering with you?

If ANYONE connected with running this thing told them that, is that not good enough? The same person, in fact, who was there when they set up and DID NOT plug into my rig? It has to come from the actual RIG OWNER or all bets are off?

But if you're telling me you would stand there and let them plug into your stuff in front of your face, and not say anything or stop them...

I have no idea where you came up with that one.

Then you're right, there is no difference, I'm looking at this all wrong, and for the record I honestly and truly humbly apologize.

But that's just not what I would do if someone tried to use my gear when it's been declared off-limits. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, they weren't told, they misundertood, whatever. But I'd intervene.

And apparently YOU would never take a break.

Got it.

The difference is you should care about your stuff more than the club owner does. He doesn't care. Not really. He's watching that cute chick's a$$ while the band is setting up. Not your rig. You might be watching her too, but its worth your while to stop for a minute to correct the band setting up. Not so for the owner. Owner will stay focused on the chick until she's 45 and chunky. Then he looks up and says... "Wow, the club got burned down.... wonder when that happened... "

Now you're just overlaying something that has squat to do with this situation over the SPECIFICS you've been given, repeatedly. Why, I don't know.

Your main mistake is assuming bar owner=trustworthy, that's all. Not saying he's evil, just that there's more to running a bar than watching the bass amp. Bar stuff comes up, he's distracted.

And the manager in this case is untrustworthy because?

Seriously, are you high? I can't think of another reason to get this confused about a pretty basic situation.

Now if you tell a bar owner to watch the liquor, you think someone took a $3 shot without paying, you can trust him to watch the liquor like a hawk. Navy SEALS couldn't sneak in there and touch the liquor. Crucial difference is its "his" liquor, but its "your" amp.

Hey! I lost some weight lately, so I'm no longer obtuse. . But thanks for asking... (trying to joke and lessen the tension here, not be smartalec)
Randy

No harm, Randy... I'm not mad at ya, just frustrated and, frankly, baffled that what TO ME seems like a simple situation just doesn't seem to be registering with you. Maybe I didn't explain it simply enough, maybe you've made up your mind that whatever I say short of agreeing with you is wrong, I don't know.

Have fun.

[Bassmanbob]

I find myself terribly depressed that I lost the last ten minutes of my life reading the last page of this thread. I'll never get them back.

Brad, I really enjoy reading your posts. I find them to be well thought out and insightfull a vast majority of the time. But I just can't read this thread anymore. I officially am ignoring this thread.

BTW: My daddy can beat up your daddies.

[steveksux]

Ok. Guess it's time to break out the crayons.... Hate to do that, but people wouldn't bother reading this without SOME snarky comments, right? Nothing personal, got to entertain the troops a little... But seriously, its nice to take a more civil tone. I'm joking around a bit here, not insulting.

Which is what the proprietor did. You really don't get that?

Sure I get that, from the beginning. He told them no. They ignored him.

It has to come from the actual RIG OWNER or all bets are off?

No. Doesn't make any difference who TELLS them, they might ignore you too. But don't worry, I have a secret plan! You'll love it!

Once they've ignored you or the proprietor and try to plug into/turn on your amp, that's when you spring into action!.

Proprietor apparently does nothing at that point. Maybe he's not even watching anymore, he just told them "don't" once and went on about his business. Bad Proprietor!!! Bad!

But imagine, if you will, if you were there in person instead of relying on the proprietor. Once you see they've ignored you, and someone makes that first move toward your amp.. you could go back up there again and stop them immediately, while they're still just setting up, before they get a chance to even play a single note using your amp.

What do you think of my solution? I just wish I had thought of it earlier, we could have avoided all the arguing. You don't have to sit there all night, just wait until they start playing. Make sure they're not using your stuff when they start their set. Then go on your break. I doubt they're going to stop in the middle of their set to sneak onto your amp mid-song.

Now you may still be annoyed they ignored you, that you had to go back up there and do something about it, but isn't it better to be annoyed because they tried to use your stuff, rather than being annoyed because they actually did use your stuff?


Good luck with that, let us know how it works out...

Have fun.
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As always, I could be wrong.

ROTFLMAO!!!! not so far.... but maybe this time? we'll see in a minute....

Randy

[steveksux]

And Brad, you realize I think the guys using your amp without permission are wrong here? Insensitive, rude, scum, you name it. They're at fault. No doubt.

But after it happens a couple of times, you have to adapt to prevent it from continuing to happen. Nobody will be as vigilant as you would be, so its up to you to prevent it.

Nobody should be careless with fire. But because people ARE generally pretty stupid, we still need Smokey the Bear to keep an eye on things.

Dude: BE Smokey the Bassplayer!

Randy

[Brad Johnson]

This pretty much sums it up:

"Once they've ignored you or the proprietor and try to plug into/turn on your amp, that's when you spring into action!".

Spring into action... on my break? That's so stupid it might just work.



I've no doubt that there are people reading this thread who get what I'm saying. You can't... and I get that. Are we done now?

I am.

[steveksux]

Spring into action... on my break? That's so stupid it might just work.

Not really sure why that's stupid.
I mean, you sure SEEMED really upset people were using your amp.... What are you doing on the first few minutes of your break that's more important than protecting your amp? She must be hot hot hot!!

Regardless, now that I'm convinced you do get my point, even though you just disagree with it (which is fine), I've done my good deed for the day.

Your break is more important than protecting your amp, that's the missing piece of the puzzle I didn't understand. I get it now. I still don't really understand your choice of priorities, but its certainly not my place to tell you what your priorities should be.

Randy

[JoeyZ]

I never understood the appeal of using other peoples stuff..I have done it in the past and never liked it..But when people ask to use mine i'll let them provided they let me play their bass through my amp and get the right sound for them. I get it to there liking and tell them not to touch a single button. "NO!!! YOU USE MY AMP YOU ADHERE TO MY REGULATIONS ON SAID AMP!!!
I have had many people compliment my bass but no one has asked to use it.

[steveksux]

I never understood the appeal of using other peoples stuff..I

+10000
I like my sound, if my bass sounds like crap, I don't enjoy playing NEARLY as much. Unfortunately, I'm spoiled by the sound of my rig, so 9 times out of 10 I'm really disappointed when I play through somebody else's. Even if its a decent amp, it's probably not quite right. If its a POS.... grrrrrr....

If I was used to playing through a Peavey TNT, I might be more likely to look forward to playing someone else's stuff.

I'd rather bring my own, its pretty easy cause seperate rack for pre, power, and 2 kind of small cabs stacked instead of 1 monster. End up taller than I am. But no backbreaker pieces. More trips with lighter pieces beats one trip weighing a ton for me as I get older, back gets badder and stairs get taller every year.

Randy

[Captain Scarlet]

Originally Posted by steveksux

Your break is more important than protecting your amp, that's the missing piece of the puzzle I didn't understand. I get it now. I still don't really understand your choice of priorities, but its certainly not my place to tell you what your priorities should be.

No, the point is that he shouldn't have to protect his amp. That, and the guy who used his amp without permission was a dweeb.

[steveksux]

HEY! Check this out!!! Somebody STILL doesn't get it!!!!

That, and the guy who used his amp without permission was a dweeb.

Absolutely. Never any doubt.

No, the point is that he shouldn't have to protect his amp.

You didn't finish the sentence. "He shouldn't have to protect his amp... because people shouldn't mess with his amp." Oops. People often do what they're not supposed to do. Didn't think of that, did ya? At least here on Earth, the world is full of dweebs who abuse others stuff. Maybe not on your guys' home planet. Where is that again?

Glad you guys aren't engineers. You don't plan for what you expect should happen in a perfect world, you plan for the worst case scenario, THEN add a safety factor.

First time, he was only guilty of being too trusting and a little naive. Second time it happened, he's guilty of 2nd degree negligence. If he lets it happen again its Premeditated Negligence. Book em, Dano. Ignorance of the law is no excuse anymore, you guys have been schooled.

So far, 2 incidents in 2 weeks, the only damage has been some knobs tweaked. That's a couple of pretty cheap lessons. That's 1 more warning than anybody deserves. Darwin doesn't often even give you the first warning. Everyone else reading this thread gets to learn from someone ELSE's mistake, the cheapest lesson there is. Small compensation for taking up such a large part of their life which they'll never get back.

Maybe next time they'll spill beer all over his amp while they're at it. On your planet, does spilled beer still cause damage even if it's not supposed to be there in the first place?

You guys seem to think that "Shouldn't have to do it" somehow equals "Don't have to do it". You guys have kids on your home planet? You shouldn't have to tell them to do something more than once. Good luck with that.

The world works the way it works, not the way you think it "should" work. Either plan accordingly or not. Up to you.

Schools out for summer...

Randy

[steveksux]

Man, I wish you guys worked for the IRS.

I shouldn't have to do audits!!! I refuse!!! Why should I bother? People aren't supposed to cheat on their taxes!!!!

And then the whole IRS auditing department resigns en masse!!! ROFLMAO.......



Randy