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Old 06-08-2008, 02:34 PM
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Here’s our band’s experience with “The Stage Saloon,” located in the Gaslamp district in downtown San Diego. Had they been up front with our band from the beginning, we may or may not have accepted the gig, but even if we hadn’t there would at least have been no hard feelings. The way these people do business with local musicians is unacceptable.

When we originally agreed to do the show at “The Stage,” the owner of the club – we’ll call him Eric – told us up front that he was unable to pay us for playing. This was fine with us – we have played free shows before and we are not in this for the money (though it is nice when we at least break even at the end of the night). Unfortunately, it was the only honest thing to come out of his mouth. Instead of pay, Eric assured us that our band would have an open bar tab for the whole night. We actually thought this was a little too generous, but who were we to argue with that? Finally, we were told that we would be allowed to play our full setlist, which runs somewhere around an hour. This last point to the agreement was what was most important to us, since we knew that any of our friends who came down to see us play there on a Saturday night would more than likely have to pay the extremely high prices for parking, and we wanted to be sure that they all got the most for their money.

As it turned out, things were quite different when we arrived. First, we were given only one drink-ticket per band member - good for only one drink (domestic beer and wine only!). As related above, this was not what we had agreed upon when booking the show. However, things continued to “go south” from there. We were then informed that we were not to change any of the equipment settings (they had a full backline), since they had already been set to the preferences of the Disco Pimps band members (a successful local cover band who we were opening for - Eric is apparently a band member), that tonight was a big night for him because he had “celebrities” coming in, and that we would not need to mess with the settings anyway because we were only playing for a half hour. When one of us suggested to Eric that maybe we should not even play, Eric started giving us this line about how he gets bands in there every night of the week, and he never gets complaints from them about this setup.

At this point our band unanimously came to the decision that this was not worth our time, nor that of our friends and fans. We realize that we are still a relatively new band and that we still have a lot of work to do as far as building a good name for ourselves in the local music scene, but we are not “chumps” and we will not let dishonest people like Eric use us to fleece our friends. We do not want THAT kind of local reputation. Our only regret is that we did not find out about how unethical this establishment is run much sooner.

So we packed up our stuff and walked next door to “The Bitter End” - a place we have had many gigs and they’ve always treated us fairly – and asked them if they wanted a free live band that night. The Bitter End has always been good to us, and our friends – and has in fact become like a second home to us. It was DJ night though, so they didn’t have anything setup for live music. We thanked them, stashed our stuff in our cars, and had a great party with our fans at other establishments around the area.

It’s funny - when we booked the gig and told Eric we had played several good shows at “The Bitter End” (right next door to “The Stage Saloon”), he had the gall to bad-mouth them– saying how they were corporate run, and treated their bands like dirt. HE, on the other hand was a musician himself and would treat us like “Rock Stars!” Yeah, right!

Last night was especially disappointing to me because I’m leaving the country for a month and a half (school related) and this was going to be my last gig for a while. Still, I’m with the rest of the band on this one. I think we made the right decision.

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Old 06-08-2008, 02:49 PM
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Ah yes, the San Diego music scene. Such a typical story.

So glad I'm the **** outta that little strip mall.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:17 PM
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F Eric, I would have done the same.
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It just amazes me there are parts of the country where places won't pay anything.I had never heard of it until I got on this forum.
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In all honesty, things actually worked out well for the band. We've been going through some internal problems lately. Nothing brings a band together like a common enemy, though. I've never seen our band so tight as we were last night. We closed ranks real quick, and it actually wound up being a good night, even though we didn't get a chance to play. 'Just looking for the silver lining, so to speak.

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You did the right thing - I live in SD and that estabilshment is a joke. ... and every night it's always been about "Eric"!
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You did the right thing - I live in SD and that estabilshment is a joke. ... and every night it's always been about "Eric"!
Sounds like it's really his house band that rules, nobody else. After a while that place will become a boring institution. --Kent
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Well you have set your net worth as a band when you agreed to play for free. So you might as well get use to being treated like dirt.
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I don't think playing for booze is necessarily playing for free. I mean . . . yeah, it's not cash, but we would have been getting something in return. Having been screwed over on that deal, the only reason we even considered stepping foot on that stage was because our people started to arrive. They came to see us, so we felt some obligation to them. But when the guy told us we had no more than 30 minutes to play, that kind of sealed the deal. So we walked.

There was another time about 6 months ago where we did a somewhat free show. The bar was a pretty "hot" spot, and we figured we could bring in some new fans. However, the bar told us that if we wanted to get paid, we had to sit at the door and charge people. Well, we had a lot of friends coming, so we would have been charging our friends. That wouldn't have been cool. It's one thing if we get a split from the door and the venue charges. But we don't want to be seen personally handling money by our fans/friends.

As barbarbass mentioned, the local music scene in San Diego sucks, and it's getting harder and harder for bands that play original music to play out. Around here the DJs and cover/tribute bands (like the owner's Disco Pimps) rule. On top of that, a lot of run down where we used to be able to play are being "gentrified." So these people buy up the run-down houses, fix them up, then call the cops when the band playing in the bar across the street is too loud. These venues are either being shut down, or ditching their live music.
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Damn, thats harsh. Good work not playing.

And that sucks about your guys' scene. I'll be down in San Diego in late July, what are some good venues for live music there?
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Old 06-09-2008, 01:33 AM
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The Bitter End in the Gaslamp district is good. Unfortunately they don't book bands for the weekend, since they're weekend draw is the DJs. The guy to talk to is named Donovan. You can reach him through the venue's Myspace page.

Bar Leucadian (about a half hour north of San Diego) pays VERY WELL. But you will need to have a lot of songs ready, since you're paid for the night. You can usually get around this by getting another band to open for you, and giving them a cut of the profits. That's how we got in there - our friends in another band got the gig and asked us to play a set (roughly an hour). Then they played three sets and at the end of the night we took home our share.

Canes in Mission Beach is alright. They'll make you sell tickets, though, so that can be kind of tough. Great sound system, though.

The Casbah (not far from the airport) is a great place. I haven't played there, but I've seen a lot of shows there. They get a lot of "big named" acts come through there with lesser known bands opening for them. You need a promo package to get in and that's not even a guarantee because everyone wants to play there.

Finally, there's the Zombie Lounge in San Diego. You play for the door there. They treat you pretty fair, but you may not always get a crowd. It's pretty random as to how many people come out even on a weekend. Sometimes there's a line at the door, other times you'll be playing to the bartenders. You'll want to talk to Ziggy at Another Zeke Productions to get in there. He also books for O'Connells. Contact him through the "Another Zeke Productions" Myspace page. A lot of punk rock shows at these two venues.

Good luck!

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Old 06-09-2008, 01:34 AM
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I forgot to say, that last post was addressed to Heroincredible.

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Old 06-09-2008, 05:12 AM
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I'm happy to say the DJ era is done around here.
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