One more reason that guitarists suck...

**TheMutt** · #1 03-06-2009, 03:52 AM

Ok, so I know this thing has come up on these forums before, but I never knew that anyone actually used them. Here's one more reason that guitarists suck.

I was jamming with a guitarist friend of mine a few days ago when I noticed what looked like a new pedal on top of his amp. I immediately stopped playing and had to run and get the camera. Here it is for your viewing pleasure:

The Suck Knob in actual use by a guitarist:

Figured that someone else on here would get as good of a laugh as I did.

uglymutt · #2 03-06-2009, 04:03 AM

Lol, more suck/less suck. All bad guitarists should use these with the less suck option :P.

jdieh1 · #3 03-06-2009, 04:08 AM

I have never heard of this...

What does it do?

Psychotic_Hell · #4 03-06-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jdieh1

I have never heard of this...

What does it do?

I JUST read that it turns the master volume of your amp down in the effect loop. If you like the tone you get when you crank it up to 11 but its too loud then this dims it without changing the tone.

Sounds pretty cool. Might have to pick one up for my guitard

**TheMutt** · #5 03-06-2009, 04:21 AM

The concept is cool. The name is unfortunate. (but true

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jdieh1 · #6 03-06-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychotic_Hell

I JUST read that it turns the master volume of your amp down in the effect loop. If you like the tone you get when you crank it up to 11 but its too loud then this dims it without changing the tone.

Sounds pretty cool. Might have to pick one up for my guitard

Ohhh ok... Interesting

anthowl · #7 03-06-2009, 04:36 AM

..is it weird that i'm not laughing at the pedal but at the mic being used on the amp?

who mics an amp with an sm58?

BillMason · #8 03-06-2009, 04:44 AM

I WANT ONE!!! WHERE DO YOU GET THEM???

SirCanealot · #9 03-06-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by anthowl

..is it weird that i'm not laughing at the pedal but at the mic being used on the amp?

who mics an amp with an sm58?

I thought micing with an SM58 or 57 was fairly common? :O

And AWESOME pedal!

dealbreaker · #10 03-06-2009, 05:06 AM

Who mics with an SM58? The same folks who have thousands of dollars worth of gear, but when they go to record something, realize they have no mic stands. (this would be my band....)

anthowl · #11 03-06-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SirCanealot

I thought micing with an SM58 or 57 was fairly common? :O

And AWESOME pedal!

sm57, yes. sm58 no.

the sm57 is an all round mic that can be used for vocals o course, bit since it is without a pop screen it's more commonly an instrument mic.

the sm58 however has a pop screen and compensates for it by being tuned with a boost of high treble so the sound appears less muffled. this makes it a fairly poor choice for micing an amp as it tends to make the guitar sound quite hissy and fizzy.

SwamiRob · #12 03-06-2009, 05:31 AM

58 and an 810 is still a pretty popular choice though, I've seen alot of rock players miced with 58s.

anthowl · #13 03-06-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SwamiRob

58 and an 810 is still a pretty popular choice though, I've seen alot of rock players miced with 58s.

are ya talking bass or guitar here?

SwamiRob · #14 03-06-2009, 05:51 AM

Bass, 58s definitely suck on guitar as far as I've heard, had to use them before a couple of times...

**TheMutt** · #15 03-06-2009, 05:59 AM

Well I guess that's a secondary reason that he sucks. He brought his own mic to use.

I can just go straight to the board.

megadan · #16 03-06-2009, 07:17 AM

A 58 is no different than a 57 with a pop screen on it. Take it off and it's a 57.

Yes, there may be subtle differences in frequency response, but in a situation like this (rehearsals) no one can tell the difference.

I've seen the Suck Knob before, good idea, all though not to be confused with proper attenuators/power soaks. These are only good for amps without a master volume, like that Bassman. My guitarist has the same one, though he uses it more for a clean tone.

Jehos · #17 03-06-2009, 07:54 AM

My favorite part is that you turn the knob to the right (more attenuation) and it's labeled "less suck". So to suck less, the guitarist turns down. I like it.

Beyer160 · #18 03-06-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by megadan

A 58 is no different than a 57 with a pop screen on it. Take it off and it's a 57.

True- the capsule and transformer are exactly the same, even the Shure part numbers are the same.

Now the pop screen does make a difference, but not enough to make a 58 unusable for instruments. I've used 58s as general purpose mics for years, they sound fine (better than a lot of more expensive "instrument" mics, in fact).

Instead of cranking the high end, try cutting the low mids. A 58 through a good pre is a very nice mic- at the studio I used to run, a 58 used to regularly beat out a Neumann U87 for loud rock vocals. Not that the U87 sucked, but the 58 is a better mic in that particular application.

SwamiRob · #19 03-06-2009, 09:27 AM

Yeah 58s seem to get muffled easily, did my first proper live sound thing with a proper PA and stuff a few weeks back and got a nasty boomyness off the vocal mics, sorted it out by using a bit of a cut at around about 160Hz I think it was, alot cleaner. The desk was the original old 80's one the club started off with that they had to use cos the other one was broken by someone spilling a cup of coffee onto it, now they have a god knows how many channel Soundcraft desk with sweepable bass, low mid, high mid AND treble with 3 way narrow-wide frequency band presets, gonna take a while to get used to that.

Febs · #20 03-06-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by megadan

These are only good for amps without a master volume, like that Bassman.

I'm glad you said that, because I was reading this thread and thinking, "on a master volume amp, how would this do anything different than the master volume knob?"