This Ought to Be Fun!!!

[BassJedi]

One of our guitarists leaves me an email that I find this morning saying that he has to work Saturday night and may not make the gig so he thinks I should just find a replacement. This is our first time in the door at this place. The bar owner actually owns 4 spots with a 5th on the way and they have bands at all of them. I'm thinking great oppurtunity until the email this morning. So, half of the day goes by and I get a call from our drummer stating that he has a fill in on guitar and I am really going to like this guy because he really knows his stuff and is well versed in theory. So, I finally get to talk to this guy and in discussing some of the setlist, I explain to him that the regular guitarist wrote out the set list and not to pay attention to what he has written out for the keys of the songs. Sometimes he just writes the first note of the song! This fill in then asked for an example. I then tell him one of the songs has F#m-Gb written in front of it. The song is actually in F#m. He then tells me that Gb and F# minor are the exact same keys and maybe I need to go look that up again. What am I missing here?

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by BassJedi

One of our guitarists leaves me an email that I find this morning saying that he has to work Saturday night and may not make the gig so he thinks I should just find a replacement. This is our first time in the door at this place. The bar owner actually owns 4 spots with a 5th on the way and they have bands at all of them. I'm thinking great oppurtunity until the email this morning. So, half of the day goes by and I get a call from our drummer stating that he has a fill in on guitar and I am really going to like this guy because he really knows his stuff and is well versed in theory. So, I finally get to talk to this guy and in discussing some of the setlist, I explain to him that the regular guitarist wrote out the set list and not to pay attention to what he has written out for the keys of the songs. Sometimes he just writes the first note of the song! This fill in then asked for an example. I then tell him one of the songs has F#m-Gb written in front of it. The song is actually in F#m. He then tells me that Gb and F# minor are the exact same keys and maybe I need to go look that up again. What am I missing here?

Hes right, enharmonics, the difference between a friendly key, like Bnatural major, and Cflat

[BassJedi]

I see it as Gb. The steps for Gb are W-W-H-W-W-W-H.........
Then I see F#m as W-H-W-W-H-W-W. If I start on the root note, I don't get the same notes. I would see your point if it was Gb m. I still must be missing something here. And, I guess I have been missing this for a really long time. Could you please explain more? Thanks.

[dragon6]

Simply put, it's 2 names for the same sound. F# and Gb same sound different names.
Same with chords name them what you want. Bbmin7 or A#min7. How you read up and down the bass is up to, you but your W and H steps must be the same.

[Nick Kay]

Uh... Guys... F# and Gb might be the same note, but F#m and Gb are completely different keys. You know, one of them being minor and the other being major. I think OP might be dealing with a certified guitard.

For the record: F#m's relative major is A. Gb's relative minor is Ebm.

[Peter H. Boer]

Enharmonic F# and Gb are the same, however F3minor and Gb major are completely different as stated above.,

Asuming it is just a typo and the discussion was really about F#min and Gbmin, it still would mean a serious difference to reading musicians:

F#min: F# - G# - A - B - C# - D - E
Gbmin: Gb - Ab - Bbb - Cb - Db - Ebb - Fb


Peter

[BassJedi]

Originally Posted by Peter H. Boer

Enharmonic F# and Gb are the same, however F3minor and Gb major are completely different as stated above.,

Asuming it is just a typo and the discussion was really about F#min and Gbmin, it still would mean a serious difference to reading musicians:

F#min: F# - G# - A - B - C# - D - E
Gbmin: Gb - Ab - Bbb - Cb - Db - Ebb - Fb


Peter

No typo. The original guitarist has it written just like that on the set list....F#m-Gb, not Gb minor. Two different keys, minor then major. I was told this fill in was really into his theory and that is why I originally wanted to point that one out to him, so he wouldn't get confused. I have to go with +1 for a certified guitard!