Plastic and 2 rusting screws. Bargain at $215 dollars!

[Elemeninki]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Vinta...3286.m14.l1318

Well I don't know the pricing of these things, but that's absolutely ludicrous.

If I had a vintage 1962 Fender Jazz bass and used it, I'd rather have a new one put on than pay £110 for one that was justmade at the same time.

Also check out his reply to someones question further down the page...and remember:

The customers always right!

[mattygbass]

i thought the real ones were wood?

[peterbright]

Who is the douchbag in this transaction?

[Elemeninki]

The sellers calling the other person a douchebag, if that's what you mean?

[seanm]

Somebody will pay that. Most thumb rests where taken off and quickly lost. Some collector who wants everything matching will pay.

Really, if you paid umpteen thousand dollars for a '62 Jazz bass, what is another $215?

[rogerbmiller]

I am on the seller's side. The fact is that there are a lot of people out there who have somehow come to the belief that older Fenders are the holy grail of basses (not to be irreverent) and that nothing comes close.

Truth is, I grew up playing bass is the so called Fender Dark Ages (the early 80's) when that company was hanging by a thread becuase:

1) they had not come up with a new design since the 50's (literally)

2) their construction and quality had not changed since the 50's

3) a lot of basses came out with more features and higher quality construction

So if you had an old Fender bass, you didn't put it in a hermedically sealed case and pray to it, you swapped out the PUs for DiMarzios and changed the hardware, gort a refret, etc. That is why there are so many vintage spare parts floating around. They sucked and no one wanted them.

To this day, if I need a "Fender P Bass" I play one of my Matsumoku copies which were far and away improvements of the original P bass. Same for a Jazz gig. Was my Fernandes J copy until it got stolen last month.

Let's get real. Only through Fender's mass marketing of nostalgia and retail market domination throgh buying and burying competitors and the consolidation of retailers by Guitar Center were they finally able to turnaround their image. And still with limited to zero innovation-- they just reproduce replicas of older models or replicas od older models as modded by artists cause the original vintages were crap stock (e.g. the Marcus Miller signature bass).

This is akin to Harley Davidon's comeback as a brand. They are marketing nostalgia and lifestyle more than quality and substance. Harley's motorcycles then and now are as primative compared to today's rides as Fender basses then and now are compared to today's basses.

So the douchebags are these miserable trendy dweebs who go pluck down $15K for an all stock vinatge 62 jazz bass or $500 for a spare part.

The guy selling this is bringing to market what Fender has convinced the masses that they want and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

And his response to the "question" is precious.

So do the patriotic thing. Go buy a Japanese design-forward bass from the 80's or 90's.

[WyrdoBass]

is it a coincidence that (i think it was around the '80's from what I read) fender released a Harley Davidson Strat?

[rogerbmiller]

Good call, man.

Originally Posted by WyrdoBass

is it a coincidence that (i think it was around the '80's from what I read) fender released a Harley Davidson Strat?

[bluerimedeyes]

My question is, why are the prices all listed in GBP when the seller is in Sherman Oaks, Ca. ?

[seanm]

Well, the page is gone.

[Bassbasixx]

I saw it, looks like a shim sham scam to me.

[Honk'n_down-low]

Originally Posted by rogerbmiller

I am on the seller's side. The fact is that there are a lot of people out there who have somehow come to the belief that older Fenders are the holy grail of basses (not to be irreverent) and that nothing comes close.

Truth is, I grew up playing bass is the so called Fender Dark Ages (the early 80's) when that company was hanging by a thread becuase:

1) they had not come up with a new design since the 50's (literally)

2) their construction and quality had not changed since the 50's

3) a lot of basses came out with more features and higher quality construction

So if you had an old Fender bass, you didn't put it in a hermedically sealed case and pray to it, you swapped out the PUs for DiMarzios and changed the hardware, gort a refret, etc. That is why there are so many vintage spare parts floating around. They sucked and no one wanted them.

To this day, if I need a "Fender P Bass" I play one of my Matsumoku copies which were far and away improvements of the original P bass. Same for a Jazz gig. Was my Fernandes J copy until it got stolen last month.

Let's get real. Only through Fender's mass marketing of nostalgia and retail market domination throgh buying and burying competitors and the consolidation of retailers by Guitar Center were they finally able to turnaround their image. And still with limited to zero innovation-- they just reproduce replicas of older models or replicas od older models as modded by artists cause the original vintages were crap stock (e.g. the Marcus Miller signature bass).

This is akin to Harley Davidon's comeback as a brand. They are marketing nostalgia and lifestyle more than quality and substance. Harley's motorcycles then and now are as primative compared to today's rides as Fender basses then and now are compared to today's basses.

So the douchebags are these miserable trendy dweebs who go pluck down $15K for an all stock vinatge 62 jazz bass or $500 for a spare part.

The guy selling this is bringing to market what Fender has convinced the masses that they want and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

And his response to the "question" is precious.

So do the patriotic thing. Go buy a Japanese design-forward bass from the 80's or 90's.

I beg to differ - my 65 Jazz smokes and it is all original - played it all through the 80's along with some expensive basses. Everytime I showed up without the Jazz Bass my band would get pissed off. I own a few Squire Jazz Basses now and a few foriegn made Spectors so I am not biased - but some of the Vintage Fenders are really nice Basses.

[bradjonesbass]

Originally Posted by rogerbmiller

I am on the seller's side. The fact is that there are a lot of people out there who have somehow come to the belief that older Fenders are the holy grail of basses (not to be irreverent) and that nothing comes close.

Truth is, I grew up playing bass is the so called Fender Dark Ages (the early 80's) when that company was hanging by a thread becuase:

1) they had not come up with a new design since the 50's (literally)

2) their construction and quality had not changed since the 50's

3) a lot of basses came out with more features and higher quality construction

So if you had an old Fender bass, you didn't put it in a hermedically sealed case and pray to it, you swapped out the PUs for DiMarzios and changed the hardware, gort a refret, etc. That is why there are so many vintage spare parts floating around. They sucked and no one wanted them.

To this day, if I need a "Fender P Bass" I play one of my Matsumoku copies which were far and away improvements of the original P bass. Same for a Jazz gig. Was my Fernandes J copy until it got stolen last month.

Let's get real. Only through Fender's mass marketing of nostalgia and retail market domination throgh buying and burying competitors and the consolidation of retailers by Guitar Center were they finally able to turnaround their image. And still with limited to zero innovation-- they just reproduce replicas of older models or replicas od older models as modded by artists cause the original vintages were crap stock (e.g. the Marcus Miller signature bass).

This is akin to Harley Davidon's comeback as a brand. They are marketing nostalgia and lifestyle more than quality and substance. Harley's motorcycles then and now are as primative compared to today's rides as Fender basses then and now are compared to today's basses.

So the douchebags are these miserable trendy dweebs who go pluck down $15K for an all stock vinatge 62 jazz bass or $500 for a spare part.

The guy selling this is bringing to market what Fender has convinced the masses that they want and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

And his response to the "question" is precious.

So do the patriotic thing. Go buy a Japanese design-forward bass from the 80's or 90's.

100% on the money! Even Leo said his later designs (music man/G&L) were vastly superior to the older ones. Yamaha's Star cruisers and Honda's VTX cruisers are so mechanically superior to current Harley's that it's not a fair fight. Yet, the Harley costs 10-20% more. Now, the Harley touring line is another story. I hate the Goldwings. Harley's tour line is the best there is. Of course, the best one is the most un-Harley looking bike of the line.

[rogerbmiller]

Because the AMerican Peso continues to get crushed in the currency markets and the British Pound is the worlds most overvalued currency. It doesn't cost much more to ship a tjhumbrest overseas and there is MORE demand there for parts that Leo might have touched or farted next to, so there is a real currency arbitrage for the seller.

Go do a search on ebay.co.uk for certain basses-- they sell for the same in pounds over there as they do in dollars over here.


RBM

Originally Posted by bluerimedeyes

My question is, why are the prices all listed in GBP when the seller is in Sherman Oaks, Ca. ?

[TheDarkReaver]

Originally Posted by rogerbmiller

Go do a search on ebay.co.uk for certain basses-- they sell for the same in pounds over there as they do in dollars over here.


RBM

I do find this pricing practice strange, take an american bass and sell it over here...say it costs $1100 over there. What would be a good and fair price overseas...I can't really be arsed to do any calculations so lets just sell it for £1100 (around $2200).

It's not just basses either. when rockband came out over here, months and months after the US release, it cost £149.99. Why? Because it costs $149.99 over in america.

[IanStephenson]

Is it crazy - of course it is.

Will someone buy it? Quite probably.

If I had a 62 Jazz in mint condition minus thumb rest that I was about to sell I'd buy it in an instant. It would easily add $200 to an otherwise mint instrument. Would I buy such an instruent - I wish I had that kind of cash, but even then probably not, but collectors are out there, and they want their 62 Jazz's with original thumb rests!

[ganga]

Originally Posted by bluerimedeyes

My question is, why are the prices all listed in GBP when the seller is in Sherman Oaks, Ca. ?

OP posted the link from the British eBay (co.uk).

[Croox]

it appears our good buddy tune o matic has a parts ebay account too. (just judging by his response to the question)
six bucks for shipping!!!! now thats a deal!

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by bradjonesbass

100% on the money! Even Leo said his later designs (music man/G&L) were vastly superior to the older ones.

Sorry, but I believe Leo was FOS with that statement and merely trying to sell his new designs. Technically they might be vastly superior. But they sure don't sound superior to me.

BTW, I just looked at this auction, and I remember this guy from before. Anyone who questions his prices, he calls them names and talks about how he lives in Bel Air and he's rich and you're clueless. In this case, though, he's right. You pay $8000 for an original pre-CBS Fender missing the thumbrest, you're not going to whine about paying $200 for a thumbrest that completes it.

[EddieN]

Originally Posted by matt galbraith

i thought the real ones were wood?

Wood ones only appeared on the single coil Precisions of the fifties.