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05-20-2009, 03:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wind Gap, PA | | | So My Band Auditioned a Drummer Last Night...
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..and things were going fairly well. The cat could play, but nothing to write home about. We finished up and while he was packing up he made this comment:
"I have my own powered monitor so I can have my own monitor mix. All I need or want in my monitor is guitar." 
Immediately two things popped into my head:
1. This isn't going to work out.
2. Sympathy for all of Metallica's bass players. 
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05-20-2009, 03:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Fairfax, VA | | | Although not what a bassist wants to hear from his drummer, it's not that uncomman. My drummer likes kick, vocals, and both guitars in his monitor. If the bass is mixed correctly, everyone on stage should be able to feel it.
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05-20-2009, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BassMaster4s  ..and things were going fairly well. The cat could play, but nothing to write home about. We finished up and while he was packing up he made this comment:
"I have my own powered monitor so I can have my own monitor mix. All I need or want in my monitor is guitar."
Immediately two things popped into my head:
1. This isn't going to work out.
2. Sympathy for all of Metallica's bass players. | ^ copied my name
oops, wrong thread. 
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05-20-2009, 03:28 PM
|  | oh nevermind | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | My drummer likes me to point a cab directly at his head. I love the man(in a way-beyond-gay way). 
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05-20-2009, 03:38 PM
|  | I am the Once-ler | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nashville, TN | | | I currently work with a drummer that couldn't care less what I'm doing, so I feel your pain. He also brings his own monitor so he can lock in with the .......................
vocals. I kid you not.
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05-20-2009, 03:47 PM
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his future is limited. My drummer WAS the same way. Teach him something new. Perhaps your bass playing follows the song to much where he doesnt need anything else to follow... ie, bass is following guitar too. If you arent doing anything different rhythmically then no harm no foul. But if you want to change it up, you will need him on board to do it.
Suggestion. After you write the song, sit with him privately and rewrite the rhythm section, add some dynamics. He will then hate having that aweful treble pointed at him while he is trying to lock in with you.
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05-20-2009, 03:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC | | | Easy to "lock" with the guitar, they are usually the loudest thing on the stage.
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05-20-2009, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JmJ Easy to "lock" with the guitar, they are usually the loudest thing on the stage. | I know what you mean... they and the vocals DOMINATE the show
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05-20-2009, 04:13 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD | | | Red flag, major.
Pass on that guy. |
05-20-2009, 04:20 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: So Cal | | | Not uncommon at all. Previous drummer and our current drummer both wanted/want heavy guitar in thier monitor. There is not written rules. Whatever makes them comfortable helps them play better. |
05-20-2009, 04:33 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ohio | | | It's not a big deal dude. Bass is not as directional as guitar. I have a hard time hearing the guitar when his cab is pointed away from me, but no problem hearing my bass from the side, or even almost behind my cab. That might be why the drummer doesn't need your bass in the monitor, depending on the rig you're using, because he can already hear and feel it quite well.
IMHO, not a reason to pass on an otherwise capable drummer. |
05-20-2009, 05:17 PM
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Endorsing Artist Mike Lull T Bass pickups | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Seattle Washington | | | Typically none of my bandmates put bass into their IEM mix, I usually don't either, I can feel it just fine on most stages and even at rehearsal in my concrete basement - I guess not a great reason in my book to pass on a decent drummer ( hard to find around here!) and if everything else is ok I'd give him another audition with his powered monitor in use and see how that goes........ |
05-21-2009, 12:28 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD | | | The fact he brings his own monitor so he can control his own mix would indicate he may have diva tendencies and may not be a team player. I would check him out very closely to see if other aspects of his behavior indicate this cause guys like that are cancer in a band.
That being said, the drummer in my current main band has rigged up a sort of personal monitoring system where he takes a feed out of the board (house mix) and runs it through a mini-mixer and earbuds so he doesn't have to deal with a wedge by his kit, and he and I lock-in together just fine (he does make sure he can always hear me, though.)
The bigger issue is whether this drummer is tuned in to what you as the bassist are doing, or not. If you can lock without him having you in his monitor per se, then that's OK I guess but if he does it so he and the guitarist can go into their own little world and leave you out (Metallica Syndrome), that is a problem and will not be a satisfying situation for you, long term.
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05-21-2009, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by guy n. cognito I currently work with a drummer that couldn't care less what I'm doing, so I feel your pain. He also brings his own monitor so he can lock in with the .......................
vocals. I kid you not. | I thought Keith Moon was dead..???... |
05-21-2009, 11:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2009 Location: FL | | lol..... man, I want to hear my bassist, I want his right hand locked into my right foot as much as possible.
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05-22-2009, 08:41 AM
| | I am the Once-ler | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nashville, TN | | Quote:
Originally Posted by fishtx I thought Keith Moon was dead..???... |
Yeah.......
In our normal post-gig band email exchange this week, he commented that 1) he'd like to be more "stage-front" since he's singing BG vocals?????? and 2) he needed more drum solos. I'm guessing the 4 minute solo he took didn't quite do it for him......... 
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