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11-16-2009, 08:11 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hebron, KY | | | Sound Guy said...
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... that my tone sounded too fat.
Is that even possible? 
I think playing in an empty warehouse had a little to do with it. The acoustics were horrible.
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11-16-2009, 09:39 AM
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11-16-2009, 09:58 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota - Twin Cities | | | He could have been saying your tone didn't slot well and caused pressure against other midrange instruments.
OR you coul have had stage wash/latency issues.
Don't blame it on the sound guy - there are too many variables to jump to conclusions.
I always get blamed for being fat ---
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11-16-2009, 10:03 AM
|  | Real Basses Have 5 Strings! | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Colorado | | | A soundman usually wants a flat eq'ed bass signal. If you send him a signal that has too much low end he will have trouble with it. Some bass heads have a line out that can bypass your eq. Then you can have your tone at your bass amp and the sond man gets a flatter signal. |
11-16-2009, 10:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacific Northwet, USA | | | too fat could mean too muddy, no note definition etc.
a common issue with bass if you ask me |
11-16-2009, 11:19 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Detroit area, Troy, MI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric5  A soundman usually wants a flat eq'ed bass signal. If you send him a signal that has too much low end he will have trouble with it. Some bass heads have a line out that can bypass your eq. Then you can have your tone at your bass amp and the sond man gets a flatter signal. | Exactly right. Makes a sound man's job (to screw up your sound) harder if you send him a signal that is already adjusted to sound good....
Randy
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11-16-2009, 11:23 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY | | | Good on stage and thru your own rig isn't always the same as good out front in the mix. Same problem with guitarists who have a nice full frequency spectrum filling tone - sounds awesome alone, is problematic in a full band situation.
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11-16-2009, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by steveksux Exactly right. Makes a sound man's job (to screw up your sound) harder if you send him a signal that is already adjusted to sound good....
Randy | An EQ that sounds good on a 4x10 is something, on a 30k watts full range PA is something else 
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11-16-2009, 11:47 AM
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I was playing a MIM P bass through a GK BL600, BLX115, and BLX410. I had cut most of the mids and lows to compensate for the room we were playing in.
"Stand By Me" came up in the set list, so I rolled off my tone a bit. I was going for a fat, upright kind of tone. I rolled off my tone a bit too far and the sound guy was somewhat correct, although I would called it "muddy" if anything. The acoustics really were the pits, but the rest of the night I was in love with my tone, and so (as usual) were my bandmates.
Just thought it was a funny choice of words on the sound guy's part.
Dave
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11-16-2009, 12:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hebron, KY | | Quote:
Originally Posted by makaky An EQ that sounds good on a 4x10 is something, on a 30k watts full range PA is something else | I actually wasn't playing through the board last night because it was a smaller gig. Usually though, he wants my post-eq signal. That allows him to tweek my tone to sit well in the mix and fit the space. He's a great guy, and a good sound guy. His comment made me chuckle so I thought I'd share.
Im unsure of the exact specs of our PA since I don't own it, but I was told it was "around 8K watts". It is loud, I'll say that, and it's overkill for most of what we do. And you're all correct, what sounds good on stage has nothing to do with what sounds good out front.
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11-16-2009, 12:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Detroit area, Troy, MI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by makaky An EQ that sounds good on a 4x10 is something, on a 30k watts full range PA is something else | Absolutely correct, I was of course joking... many would in fact argue the job of a soundman is NOT to screw up your sound...
A comment made is something, comment made with is something else...
For myself, I use a pair of EA 210s, which I tried using as stereo speakers for a party once, was pretty impressed with how flat they sound, so I probably could get away with sending them the eq signal... I use just a little cut at 1k and very little adjustments, so its pretty close to flat anyway.
Most bass speakers are probably pretty peaky, far from flat, so it would be a disaster sending a signal eq'd for that set of speakers to a speaker system with a completely different response curve.
Randy
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