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06-16-2002, 10:16 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by mrWr0ng
i play at what i consider a great volume... we have a drummer, a lead guitarist, and a bassist... i fill in for rythym guitar and bass with my style, so i need a good amount of volume, especially because it's all clean. | As stated earlier, what might be a good volume where your standing may be too loud where everyone else is standing. I think the best you can do is hope that the people who are telling you to turn down aren't 'bass hater's  ' and go with what they say.
Also, since your a three piece band, you should have more 'sonic space' than most bass players. I would focus on how you eq your sound (not just the bass but how all the instruments interact together). That's going to make the most difference, not volume.
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06-17-2002, 02:34 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ireland | | | I dont use an amp at all, I show up di to the desk and use the monitors...works fine for me and less gear to lug around.
Funny my sound is always perfectly balanced as well and I dont need to wear ear plugs.
less is more my young padwan learner.
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06-17-2002, 02:48 AM
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Bass can never be too loud!
Long live loud bass and the electronics that make it possible.
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06-17-2002, 07:43 PM
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06-17-2002, 07:54 PM
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lemonpillow went to the Fieldy School of Bass. | EW! EW! ye ah bo e! AW YEA. Uh anyway. you do know, that just like other parts of the band, a bassist can be to loud as well. maybe you need to just quiet the heck up. |
06-17-2002, 08:07 PM
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06-17-2002, 08:12 PM
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 | Wait wait,,, are you saying that a bass can never be to loud? come on... gimme a break. |
06-17-2002, 08:15 PM
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EW! EW! ye ah bo e! AW YEA. Uh anyway. you do know, that just like other parts of the band, a bassist can be to loud as well. maybe you need to just quiet the heck up. | well everyone else in the bar loved us, the crowd loved us, no one else said anything about us or the bass being too loud except for the bassist for the house band, who not only told ME i was too loud, he told the guitarist he was too loud, and tried to take the microphone away from our singer in the middle of the third song. we actually have a picture of him grabbing the mic and scott with this "Huh?" look on his face.
then the manager of the club started trying to get us to the house band... you can see where this is going. old people blues band got mad cos we showed 'em up and threatened their friday night gig, where they make 50 cents off each drink sold. they didn't like the competition, which is why the bassist kept trying to shut me down and the guitarist went backstage and actually stepped (accidentally? i don't know) on my surge protector and turned me off mid-song. |
06-17-2002, 08:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tulsa, OK | | | I've heard about and participated in "a battle of the bands" many times, but this takes on a new and sordid twist!
Is it true that the drunker you are the quieter and better you play?
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06-18-2002, 02:30 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tampa Bay | | | Once at a Battle of the Bands, one band brought in the sound guy for everyone else.
The bars manager let the guy do the sound since he sounded professional. (He used to be a sound tech at the Miami Arena, the stadium where the Miami Heat used to play.)
Well needless to say, none of us heard ourselves through the monitors, and while we did do okay with this in mind, we couldve done much better had we been able to hear each other better.
After a friend in the crowd told me he could barely hear me through the PA, I turned my self up onstage and of course the soundguy started signaling to me that I was too loud and turned me down even more on the house system.
Guess what band won?
The ones who brougth the sound dude.
We knew it was gonna happen so we left early and went to the signers house to do some partying and drinking. I heard the Velvet Underground for the first time that night, and drank some alchohol too.
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06-23-2002, 05:48 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Northern California | | | Yes, EQ'ing and more specifically MIDRANGE is going to affect your "loudness" more than your volume knob.
The problem with bass playing is that you end up getting to a point where you're loud enough that you can really hear yourself in the mix, and can feel the notes coming off of your fingers... you finally start settling in and suddenly someone in the band is signaling you to turn down... "#*^$ off", you're thinking.
I find, however, that a great tone solves that problem instantly. Suddenly you're not nearly as "loud" but you can still hear yourself perfectly in the mix, and more importantly, relax and feel the notes come off your fingers. Again, this is more a function of your instrument and EQ'ing than anything else.
As mentioned by others in this thread, be glad that you can be "too loud"... alot of bass players only wish they could overpower their band. when you don't have to stress your amp/speakers you can focus on getting a great tone without having to crank out a harsh tone to cut through the mix with an underpowered rig.
It looks like you have a good rig and I don't see why you shouldn't be able to get a great tone. Just don't make the mistake of getting your tone together alone (i.e. scooping your midrange because it sounds harsh by itself), and then suddenly a kick drum and guitar come along and you're gone. then you turn the volume up and you're this loud boomy mess and everyone wants you to turn down. Try boosting your mids a bit before you turn your volume up.
Good Luck!
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06-23-2002, 06:01 PM
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yo check it listen man, i got me a ibanez along with an ampeg 100 watts and i can blow my guitarist away (sound wise, he is a great guitarist), but........i dont always do, only when i want to show off, but anyway i payed money for the shiznit so i'm gonna play it to the extreme and when someone tells me to turn down, i get pissed and turn up, and if it's another bassist who sucks and doesnt want to be shown up, dont back down rub it in his face and make sure he doesnt forget it, well that's what i gotta say that's just me, well if you got the rig and got the skill, show everyone what youre made of, and be proud, i hate bands that play and you dont hear bass, lets make a change, but, makes sure when recording you hear everyone, and stuff like that, just wait till it's your turn to shine, unless.......some punk tells you to turn down :-)......peace......rock on bro
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06-23-2002, 06:48 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: mianus, alaska | | | oh and make sure when he was tellin you to turn down it was becuz you were loud tho and not that you sucked and he'd had enought but anyway i'm sure youre better than that later bros
rock on
BASSdaddy
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06-25-2002, 07:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colonia, New Jeresy | | | i have 350 watt hartke head, and a SUNN 2x15 cab..
for shows and stuff ( even our last outdoor show ).. my amp was on 3 ( out of 10 ).. and it was still kind of over powering evreything else. |
07-01-2002, 03:03 PM
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I had the same problem at a gig in Peducah, KY.
We were setting up and the club owner saw the wall of speaker cabs I was assembling on the stage. (six single 15's and three dual 10's) He started freaking out that I was going to do structural damage to his club because I'd be too loud. (the club was about the size of a medium size grocery store) I went out to our equipment truck and backed my '74 Sportster out of the truck starterd it and rode it right in the front door. I hit the throttle wide open and made the drag pipes scream! Then i cut the engine and looked at the guyand announced "Now THAT is to F--ing loud". The guy just lost it and told us to pack up our crap and get out. The guitarist and drummer were very cool with it but our Mgr kind of freaked a bit.  |
07-01-2002, 03:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: WI | | | two wrongs don't make a right.
i'd say don't act like a guitarist and TRY to piss people off by playing at a distasteful volume. If someone asks you to turn down because they can't even hear their own self, do so. I never appreciate it when my guitarist cracks up his marshall (it can blow me away), so remember, with power... comes responsibility eh?
but deffinately, when the time is right, crank it up!
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