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06-22-2009, 05:28 PM
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"Find the first and second frets when playing upright bass in G flat swing; learn how from our expert upright bass player in this free music instruction video." YouTube clip
I figure the above will put an end to all sarcasms about fretboards seen over here. 
(What's up with all free double bass "lessons" that have been flooding YouTube lately...?  )
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06-22-2009, 05:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | | Yeowtch. Wherever Franz Simandl is, I hope he doesn't have internet access. |
06-22-2009, 06:08 PM
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06-22-2009, 08:04 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon | | | Are we absolutely sure that Expert Village is not a parody site? I mean, my god...
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06-22-2009, 08:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | | Well, John, you know that every village has its idiot. It seems that Expert Village is well stocked for the foreseeable future.
I guess it's sort of like Wikipedia. When the content is modifiable by just about anyone, it becomes diluted to the point of being useless. |
06-22-2009, 10:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hamilton, VIC | | | '...now, you can mark it down on your fretboard - use a pencil, but don't use a pen!'
BWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! |
06-23-2009, 05:26 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden | | | Having first laughed almost with tears in my eyes, and then felt guilty for doing so -- after all the guy is enthusiastic, and might be a good teacher if he "only" would master the subject at hand -- I have now, after reading your comments, reached the reflecting stage:
1. Who is actually "worthy" of being a teacher? There are top players (more so in the world of electric bass) that use techniques (fingerings, wrist angles and so forth) that students generally are better off not copying. Also, of course, pedagogical skills don't necessarily coincide with playing skills. This is not to say that one can't learn from such persons, but teaching beginners is "real" teacher territory only IMHO.
2. Moving pictures don't overcome the problem of one-way communication. I just pulled out my copy of Simandl's book and had a look at Frederick Zimmerman posing: How could a beginning student know what aspects are crucial to learn verbatim, and what can be altered according to personal taste and body constitution? Obviously this basic problem remains in the movie format. Again, it takes a very experienced teacher to foresee potential problems and to address them proactively when not teaching in person.
3. Convenient means for peer-review are a prerequisite to reach and maintain high quality in an open knowledge base. I figure this condition is met in the Wikipedia case; actual experts / nerds / geeks check their pet subjects regularly, and the information is extended and corrected quickly. In the YouTube case however, the threshold is much higher, and peer-review is often limited to comments such as "LMAO! U 5ucK b1g TiMe"... (A polite e-mail to Expert Village might be worth a try, though?)
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06-23-2009, 06:10 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson  Well, John, you know that every village has its idiot. It seems that Expert Village is well stocked for the foreseeable future.
I guess it's sort of like Wikipedia. When the content is modifiable by just about anyone, it becomes diluted to the point of being useless. | Agree 100% - so it reminds me of the famous aphorism :
"The Blind leading the Blind"... 
Or maybe if you are feeling more generous :
"In the the land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is King!" 
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06-23-2009, 05:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denver, Co. | |  Master 5/4 timing is back....and Miranda is sinG GinG.
Austin is back......  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK_j2LE07G0
And lest we fergit Miranda?  She's sinG GinG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt2YJCJleY
One flew over the ******* cuckoo's nest.
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06-23-2009, 05:51 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hamilton, VIC | | Good post lfh, things I often wonder about myself.
I took a strings pedagogy class a few years back, and the emphasis was on developing the students analytical abilities - that is, his or her own ability to see problems in technique, or whatever, and find solutions themselves.
Past the beginner level, I think this is all a teacher can really do - I mean, you really cannot learn to play bass in one hour a week; you have to do most of the learning yourself, and your teacher is more a of a guide. So, at certain levels, I think that the onus needn't be on the teacher to have technical/musical ability, but more it is their job to guide you through the learning.
As far as beginners though, I agree - that's where the real teaching is. That's where teachers need to be VERY careful in what they teach and how they do it. 
PS: I played at the Stockholm Music Museum in 2007, using a bass borrowed from Luin Sitkey.. great guy! |
06-23-2009, 06:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Maui | | | Wow. The mind wobbles.
Forget Kate and Jon... Austin and Miranda need to hook up. |
06-23-2009, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson Wow. The mind wobbles.
Forget Kate and Jon... Austin and Miranda need to hook up. | Can you imagine Austin and Miranda in the sack?
Better yet....sinG Ging in 5/4 timing. (in the sack).
Ryan comes along lookin' fer his 1st and 2nd frets in Gb.........Phew.
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06-23-2009, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton
Miranda in the sack?
| Well, she does have those fire-engine red, bias-ply, gummi bear lips. Sometimes, when she tries hard, they even both point in the same direction. |
06-23-2009, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson Well, she does have those fire-engine red, bias-ply, gummi bear lips. Sometimes, when she tries hard, they even both point in the same direction. | I know, huh.
The lips are mobile. There's a clip in there somewhere, where it looks like she can move them up to her cheek bone.
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06-23-2009, 06:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada | | | Well it looks like the singer and the pianist are beating out the bassist in the humour videos.
The pianist in the 5/4 video is hilarious when he plays+counts, the singer "Miranda" is wickedly funny in regards to insider singer satire... the bassist...well, he's sort of funny but not too much. He's the weakest of the three. C'mon bassists, we can do better! |
06-23-2009, 07:17 PM
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This is my "go to guy" for that long Red Mitchell legato sound.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmOy...eature=channel
I really think the title should be: "The hardest, most awkward possible way to finger a boogie-woogie line in G. (on strings that are fifty two years old.)"
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06-23-2009, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by longfinger The pianist in the 5/4 video is hilarious when he plays+counts | I know.... it's amazing when he finally shuts up and starts playing. The guy is brilliant.... unless he's not kidding... then he's just scary.
He should just do that comic 5/4 countoff thing;
(counted off in four)-
One,
Twothree,
Four,
Five  |
06-23-2009, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Freddels | I think she needs snakes, nudity, juggling, or a combination of the three. Kick it up a little. |
06-23-2009, 08:34 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA | | | I just wandered over here from planet Earth. This has got to be a put on right? Listening to Miranda butcher the National Anthem was like watching a car accident in slow motion. Horrifying but at the same time you can't look away. And those Expert Village People...yeesh.
Y'know, until now I thought the internet was a good thing for music. It, in one fell swoop, eliminated the record companys' stranglehold on distribution of music. The upside is, anybody can now release a musical recording. The downside is, as these sites show, ANYBODY can now release a musical recording.
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