2012 NHL Offseason Thread

[mkandolf]

Really I can't get away from the players' side given that the owners signed so many huge contracts since July 1st. They full well knew that they would be asking for 25% of those contracts back. To me that's pure BS. If they signed those contracts, honor them. That's the players' big sticking point right now.

I think the players see it right. The system needs fixing big time and the owners' method of just asking for concessions from the players time after time after time just doesn't fix it.

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by mkandolf

Really I can't get away from the players' side given that the owners signed so many huge contracts since July 1st. They full well knew that they would be asking for 25% of those contracts back. To me that's pure BS. If they signed those contracts, honor them. That's the players' big sticking point right now.

I think the players see it right. The system needs fixing big time and the owners' method of just asking for concessions from the players time after time after time just doesn't fix it.

Contracts signed are still subject to the terms of the CBA. The players who signed those late contracts knew this just as well as the owners did. It's a wash.

[mkandolf]

Perhaps money-wise but then you throw the years in.

In any case, can the owners seriously keep a league afloat if they keep signing these ridiculous contracts and then expect the players to give back ever 7 or 8 years? How would you like it if your boss did that to you?

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by mkandolf

Perhaps money-wise but then you throw the years in.

In any case, can the owners seriously keep a league afloat if they keep signing these ridiculous contracts and then expect the players to give back ever 7 or 8 years? How would you like it if your boss did that to you?

If my boss offered me 50% of revenue, I'd jump at it.

If some of the idiot owners in this league didn't do the things they do, they wouldn't have these problems. So I agree with the notion that they've created this mess themselves. (keep in mind, however, it's not all the owners that do these moronic things. I could go on a rant about this, but I won't).

The players need to understand that the NHL is notorious for not wanting someone else to tell them how to run their business, which is their prerogative. They're the ones taking the risk, the players aren't. If the players continue to play hardball, they will lose eventully. They need to remember the sentiment that is taught to them when they're kids playing minor hockey: the logo on the front of the jersey is bigger than the name on the back. They think they are the product, but they aren't. They're only part of the product.

[MJ5150]

Both sides knew the lockout/strike was coming. Owners kept spending money, and players kept signing contracts anyway. They are all a bunch of dough heads.

-Mike

[Hollow Man]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Both sides knew the lockout/strike was coming. Owners kept spending money, and players kept signing contracts anyway. They are all a bunch of dough heads.

This.

[mkandolf]

A thaw coming in talks?:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...HL_talks_.html

[Strat-Mangler]

I'll only believe that progress is made if and when agreements are signed.

Until then, it's purely speculation.

[Darth Handsome]

I'm fine with them not agreeing to anything until after the World Juniors. A true best-on-best would be pretty entertaining.

[MJ5150]

Originally Posted by mkandolf

A thaw coming in talks?:

Aha....so a settlement to the negotiations rests on the Flyers. You guys will do anything to lose your bad boy image won't you?

-Mike

[mkandolf]

No, we're jsut trying to get this thing over before our star players get injured overseas.

Oops, too late, another one down:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...rmany/1716867/

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Aha....so a settlement to the negotiations rests on the Flyers. You guys will do anything to lose your bad boy image won't you?

-Mike

I've heard arguments that Snyder's 'shenanigans' are part of the reason the league is in the situation it's in. I'm not familiar enough with Philly's business patterns to know how accurate that is.

[mkandolf]

Originally Posted by Darth Handsome

I've heard arguments that Snyder's 'shenanigans' are part of the reason the league is in the situation it's in. I'm not familiar enough with Philly's business patterns to know how accurate that is.

Supposedly Snider originally backed Buttman to get big concessions and thus bigger profits. The big market teams would stand to benefit the most from big concessions from the players. Now that it's obvious this isn't going to heppen, at least not without at least losing more than one full season, there's diminishing returns. So big owners are turning to get it over with and let's play and start making money again. The cash machine needs to start making them money again.

I really don't care at this point...

I WANT MY HOCKEY BACK

[Lazarus.Bird]

Hi guys. Just checking in... been trying to ignore this thread for the most part, because it just makes me angry! Really weird to be living in Pittsburgh and not talking about hockey right now...

[MJ5150]

Originally Posted by mkandolf

I WANT MY HOCKEY BACK

Plenty of junior and college games right now. Screw the NHL.

-Mike

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Plenty of junior and college games right now. Screw the NHL.

-Mike

Qft

[Strat-Mangler]

No hockey this season. I made that prediction a while ago.

Too many egos and money at play. The players are unwilling to budge if only a little.

Good thing NHL 13 is fun to play.

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Strat-Mangler

No hockey this season. I made that prediction a while ago.

You're like.... Yoda.

[mkandolf]

Flyers fan got into it in the media scrum with Gary Buttman. Interrupted the thing and then still managed to get Buttman to speak with him for a few secs afterwards. Guy is from my hometown! Priceless!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3751--nhl.html

[Darth Handsome]

The more I see Donald Fehr's face, and the more he opens his sewer, the more I hate the union.