53 Years Ago Today

P. Aaron · #1 02-23-2008, 07:17 AM

February 23 1945:

Just in case anyone wanted to know.

ROON · #2 02-23-2008, 07:32 AM

I think you mean 63 buddy.

Benjamin Strange · #3 02-23-2008, 09:28 AM

63 years ago today the American military staged the biggest photo-op in history, until....

bassteban · #4 02-23-2008, 09:29 AM

And 53 years ago people knew where the OP pic was taken.

Mark Latimour · #5 02-23-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bassteban

And 53 years ago people knew where the OP pic was taken.

and a few years later they found out how it was staged!

P. Aaron · #6 02-23-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

and a few years later they found out how it was staged!

Latimour, your history is profoundly lacking. I expected nothing less from you other than glib frostings with all the sense of a waxing politician.

My math may have been off by ten years but a simple google of anything regarding the Rosenthal photograph, those Marines and how and why it all happened is so easy to find. I figured you could easily find out before posting such a revealing of your utter lack of class how wrong you are about this one.

But you typically dissapoint...again.

Below are your "posed" pictures...for the record.

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/lflagj.gif

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/l721flag.gif

P. Aaron · #7 02-23-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Strange

63 years ago today the American military staged the biggest photo-op in history, until....

Read the reply to Latimour, and go study up yourself.

K_Shizzle · #8 02-23-2008, 10:02 AM

...it was staged. They had planted a smaller flag earlier in the day. They came back later and planted the larger flag in which the epic picture was taken.

P. Aaron · #9 02-23-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ROON

I think you mean 63 buddy.

Thank you for that one correction.

Mark Latimour · #10 02-23-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by P. Aaron

Latimour, your history is profoundly lacking. I expected nothing less from you other than glib frostings with all the sense of a waxing politician.

My math may have been off by ten years but a simple google of anything regarding the Rosenthal photograph, those Marines and how and why it all happened is so easy to find. I figured you could easily find out before posting such a revealing of your utter lack of class how wrong you are about this one.

But you typically dissapoint...again.

Below are your "posed" pictures...for the record.

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/lflagj.gif

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/l721flag.gif

Really? So it wasn't a photo of the second flag being raised that Rosenthal photographed which became the iconic photo? The second flag because they decided that the first flag raised, before the photographer got there, was too small and they wanted a larger one up on top of Iwo Jima.

The only thing lacking here is your maths.....

P. Aaron · #11 02-23-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by K_Shizzle

...it was staged. They had planted a smaller flag earlier in the day. They came back later and planted the larger flag in which the epic picture was taken.

Right, on a commanders orders, but that 2nd flag raising photo wasn't staged like so many cynics here enjoy believing.

I posted link above to the "staged" pictures.

P. Aaron · #12 02-23-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

Really? So it wasn't a photo of the second flag being raised that Rosenthal photographed which became the iconic photo? The second flag because they decided that the first flag raised, before the photographer got there, was too small and they wanted a larger one up on top of Iwo Jima.

The only thing lacking here is your maths.....

You're saying the 2nd raising was a "posed" shot. It wasn't. I was at least able to admit my math being off.

ROON · #13 02-23-2008, 10:09 AM

I don't see what is so fantastic about the photo anyway.

Mark Latimour · #14 02-23-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by P. Aaron

You're saying the 2nd raising was a "posed" shot. It wasn't. I was at least able to admit my math being off.

No, i'm saying the photo is of the staged second raising of the flag, which was staged because the first was too small. It wasn't the original raising of the flag on Iwo Jima that was photographed, but the staged second raising. Feel free to apologise for your petty comments, if you have the class to do so.

P. Aaron · #15 02-23-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

and a few years later they found out how it was staged!

The Marines were ordered to put a larger flag up, but that Rosenthal shot wasn't staged.

Scarlet Fire · #16 02-23-2008, 10:40 AM

The actual pose they were in was not deliberately staged, as far as I can remember, but the situation itself was.

Mark Latimour · #17 02-23-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Fire

The actual pose they were in was not deliberately staged, as far as I can remember, but the situation itself was.

Bingo it was a candid photo of a staged situation. Its a shame that so many people are unware that the photo does not represent the actual first raising of the flag, which occured quite a few hours earlier with a small flag.

Benjamin Strange · #18 02-23-2008, 10:42 AM

Latimour is right on this one - the second flag is a staged shot. However, that doesn't negate it from being a great shot, nor does it negate the Marine's purpose in being there. Just because a shot is staged doesn't make it evil, nor does pointing out that it was staged make a person anti-American.

Pilgrim · #19 02-23-2008, 11:03 AM

Perhaps this would clarify: the event might be considered to have been staged, because it was a repeat event. However, it took place under orders and was NOT performed for the reason of having a photo taken. Based on the fact that the event was not performed for the purpose of taking a publicity photo, I personally would not consider to to have been "staged". Others might...it's a matter of the connotation of the word to them.

The photo itself was NOT staged - it was taken live, the event was not performed for the photographer, and he had no control over it. He simply made a visual record of an event - and that record has become a historical icon.

The Bush photo, OTOH, contains a highly erroneous word...following "Mission".

BassChuck · #20 02-23-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Strange

63 years ago today the American military staged the biggest photo-op in history, until....

Is this 'staged'? Certainly a well planned photo-op. One can't help but notice the telepromter.... and that could have been taken out to make a better picture. I suppose that would have been 'staging'.... or perhaps the people who know Bush best just couldn't have imagined him without a telepromter.