American Racism

[trunkshope6]

sorry this was a big mistake.Thank u for all that contributed.

[Dr. Cheese]

I think you should find another forum than OT on TB because these sorts of threads tend to get clouded with people trying to shout each other down.

[fenderhutz]

Being white I don't like the "Why is this honky here?" looks and feeling I get when having to travel through a black or Latino neighborhood. I have never done anything racist to anyone to but have to carry the burden of my forefathers. Racism is a 6 lane 2 way highway. It's the people in the median that can't escape it.

[Snarf]

Whites are discriminated against too. Don't let college screw with your brain too much, there's an agenda behind every professor and curriculum. I've been heckled and yelled at for walking down a street in a black neighborhood. I've gotten the stink eye for speaking English in an American city.

[Papa Dangerous]

Oh boy. Here it comes again.
People get oppressed for zillions of reasons. It is terrible, but it happens. It is not just a race thing. It can be found anywhere. More people bicker about racism and unfair treatment - when in turn, that only adds to the racist remarks. I am not say to not feel offended, but how often do people play the race card just because of their ethnicity? The constant accusation of race, which may or may NOT be the case, only leads one to believe that person who is being "oppressed" is racist themselves. That because they are the "minority" than the "majority" is doing whatever it takes to hold them down.

When was the last time you seen a scholarship for white males only? Well, I never did, and that in turn is just as racist.

I am sorry to rant and come across ignorant, but I have heard so many stories of nonsense and it is just aggravating after a certain point.

[Lonesomedave]

i think it is kinda amusing that you had never given it any thought until you went to college and got indoctrinated by a bunch of professors whose business it is to keep the racism thing alive.

have you ever been subjected to it.... well, no
have you ever been victimized by it... well, no

but my (all flaming liberal) professors have told me about it, so i now feel it is a BIG issue.

grow up.

practice what martin luther king (who would have been absolutely appalled had he lived to see what his vision had become) taught: I dream of a world where a man will not be judged by the color of his skin, but the content of his character (please excuse me for paraphrasing, but i don't know the exact quote)

those professors do not have YOUR best interests at heart, they have their own agenda and you are just a tool to help them achieve it.



PS-edit- racism is still very much alive and practiced by the intellectuals of many minorities against whites... not because they really hate them (i believe racial hatred is largely a thing of the past in this country), but because it puts food on the table and gives them something to talk about when hobnobbing with their radical friends

[Papa Dangerous]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

i think it is kinda amusing that you had never given it any thought until you went to college and got indoctrinated by a bunch of professors whose business it is to keep the racism thing alive.

have you ever been subjected to it.... well, no
have you ever been victimized by it... well, no

but my (all flaming liberal) professors have told me about it, so i now feel it is a BIG issue.

grow up.

practice what martin luther king (who would have been absolutely appalled had he lived to see what his vision had become) taught: I dream of a world where a man will not be judged by the color of his skin, but the content of his character (please excuse me for paraphrasing, but i don't know the exact quote)

those professors do not have YOUR best interests at heart, they have their own agenda and you are just a tool to help them achieve it.

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[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by Papa Dangerous

Oh boy. Here it comes again.
People get oppressed for zillions of reasons. It is terrible, but it happens. It is not just a race thing. It can be found anywhere. More people bicker about racism and unfair treatment - when in turn, that only adds to the racist remarks. I am not say to not feel offended, but how often do people play the race card just because of their ethnicity? The constant accusation of race, which may or may NOT be the case, only leads one to believe that person who is being "oppressed" is racist themselves. That because they are the "minority" than the "majority" is doing whatever it takes to hold them down.

When was the last time you seen a scholarship for white males only? Well, I never did, and that in turn is just as racist.

I am sorry to rant and come across ignorant, but I have heard so many stories of nonsense and it is just aggravating after a certain point.

Sorry, but I don't see how this comment is helpful at all. Racism is a real problem in America. To the people who say white people face racism too, multiply what you experience by 1000 and you'll begin to be in the same ballpark.

Since I don't see this thread turning into anything but an argument, I'm out.

[Papa Dangerous]

I never said it was going to be helpful. I know racism is alive, but I think it also over exaggerated in many aspects. Threads asking about other people's experiences stirs up a lot of crap and that in turn does not help the issue either.

You know that line "To the people who say white people face racism too, multiply what you experience by 1000 and you'll begin to be in the same ballpark." is a crock of (*^$. Read some history on how white people were treated in this country. Look at the world today, people are hired as firefighters because of their ethnicity, not due to their qualifications. I do not give a flying **** what skin you are when you are rushing into my house to save my life, but you better be qualified. I know someone how was a lumberjack, the company had hired someone because they were required too. Man did not know what he was doing, cause this person to fall 40 feet from a tree and hitting many branches on the way.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Sorry, but I don't see how this comment is helpful at all. Racism is a real problem in America. To the people who say white people face racism too, multiply what you experience by 1000 and you'll begin to be in the same ballpark.

Since I don't see this thread turning into anything but an argument, I'm out.

and since you live in canada, you are obviously an authority on all things American.

[LilloEsquilo]

Originally Posted by fenderhutz

Being white I don't like the "Why is this honky here?" looks and feeling I get when having to travel through a black or Latino neighborhood. I have never done anything racist to anyone to but have to carry the burden of my forefathers. Racism is a 6 lane 2 way highway. It's the people in the median that can't escape it.

Just be glad they don't kick your ass. You're right I get the same sorts of looks. Though not always, it just depends. But I will agree it's a 2 way street and it's not just whites who can be bigots, sadly.

[SoonerMatt]

The only way to stop racism is to teach tolerance and equality at home. Fortunately most of us have been raised this way, but there are many who still preach bigotry and inequality to their children.

That's all I'm saying on this topic. Perhaps this would have lived longer in the Lobby but I don't see this lasting long.

[fuzzy beard]

Look as long as we look as are selfs as black, white, mexican, african american,polish,spanish and on and on. We are labeling are selfs as different!

When we label are selfs differnt we can no longer be the same! Society and culture has tought us we are not same. It is the very root of how you are raised that splits us up! At berth you are determin black,white or what ever other label you chose!And these labels follow you thru life!

When we as HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! can learn to view each other as humans not by labels then and only then will racism,sexism,and many other isms be gone!

I dare you to try to go one day with ot using labels on humans! I dont think you can you were raised to! Racism starts the moment you view anyone differnt than you! We are ALL guily of racism!But it is the way we are programed!

[mpdd]

so anyway, one of my students who had substantial emotional and substance abuse issues definitely stole a tool from my school, and when he realized that i either wanted a convincing denial or the item back, what did he do? he brought in a relative who new about the "law" and they accused me of being discriminatory ie racist. all of this over a 40 dollar item that i needed to teach my class, i could have lost my job if the school was lame and afraid of a lawsuit

[arbitrary]

its kinda funny and sad how everyone has ignored the op's request. And I'm not going to engage in any argument debating the existence of racism, which is racist within itself.

When it hit home for me. My wife and I are both white & there is an Irish restaurant here in Boston that we both love & get great service at every time we go. We went twice with our African American and Indian friends. It was literally the worst service I had received anywhere.

Also, I recently began working at a county jail. The sheer percentage of minorities compared to whites there tells me that institutional racism still exists.

This is also worth to checking out with an open mind: Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege


or on a funnier note: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_792691.html

[sandmangeck]

Stangely on topic, today I was told I live in a white world because I stated that maybe the people occupying wallstreet should occupy a job. rofl.

[fuzzy beard]

I think my post shows how racism is alive even in the post on this page! I would prefer to move towards removing racism than feeding the labels that seperate us!

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by arbitrary

its kinda funny and sad how everyone has ignored the op's request. And I'm not going to engage in any argument debating the existence of racism.

When it hit home for me. My wife and I are both white & there is an Irish restaurant here in Boston that we both love & get great service at every time we go. We went twice with our African American and Indian friends. It was literally the worst service I had received anywhere.

Also, I recently began working at a county jail. The sheer percentage of minorities compared to whites there tells me that institutional racism still exists.

This is also worth to checking out with an open mind: Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege

or on a funnier note: Louis C.K. On Leno: Black People Get To Complain More (VIDEO)

well, i don't know about you, but this post has DEFINITELY convinced me.

poor service in a restaurant=american racism... god, how could i have been so naive all these years.

and if that didn't do it, the Huffington Post thing just makes it game, set, & match! if ever there was an unbiased professional journalistic endeavor, it is the HP... no one could accuse them of having any ax to grind.

my eyes have truly been opened.

take that, Martin Luther King.

[Stumbo]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

...(i believe racial hatred is largely a thing of the past in this country)...

One's beliefs have nothing to do with facts. A belief is a supposition taken as the truth.

And whether you, in your limited personal experience, have been subjected to racism or not is not a valid determination of whether racism exists or not. Hey, the world was flat for a few hundred thousand years! How'd that work out?

Acting as if something is true doesn't make it true and surrounding a statement with anger, name calling and vitriol doesn't make it true either.

"I believe that racism does not exist because it has not happened to me" is a false notion paraded as an excuse to act upon one's impulses of self righteousness.

In fact, you don't really know if you've been the subject of racism. It's not like someone comes up to you and let's you know "Hey, I'm treating you differently because of the color of your skin".

Good luck with your beliefs.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by Stumbo

One's beliefs have nothing to do with facts. A belief is a supposition taken as the truth.

And whether you, in your limited personal experience, have been subjected to racism or not is not a valid determination of whether racism exists or not. Hey, the world was flat for a few hundred thousand years! How'd that work out?

Acting as if something is true doesn't make it true and surrounding a statement with anger, name calling and vitriol doesn't make it true either.

"I believe that racism does not exist because it has not happened to me" is a false notion paraded as an excuse to act upon one's impulses of self righteousness.

In fact, you don't really know if you've been the subject of racism. It's not like someone comes up to you and let's you know "Hey, I'm treating you differently because of the color of your skin".

Good luck with your beliefs.

hey, thanks!
right back atcha!