This Blew My Mind...

[::::BASSIST::::]

and has led me to the insight that there is definitely life after death. It is no longer a question in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrMV...eature=related

[Jimbob Jones]

Yo' trippin brudda?

Look at it logically. It's like saying 'there are two towns connected by a road. If the road suddenly doesn't exist, neither do the towns.' it makes no sense.

He's talking about boundries. The background to a hand doesn't have to be nothing; you can distinguish an objects' edges when it's underwater, and water is definately tha thing!

Outer Space isn't nothing. It's Space: distance.

The only real 'nothing' is what's outside of the universe. The scientifically non-existant void our universe is constantly expanding into. We can't reach nothing (escaping the universe by any means we know is like trying to get to the moon by running real fast) and our minds can't properly concieve the idea of it.

This fellow is playing on the fact that it's very difficult to get your head around the idea of nothing, and using the confusion created to fill his viewers heads with meaningless (and scientifically false) information.

Chill out, a

[Mike M.]

I've always believed in life after death.

[XigXag]

0 +2 =1
Yes and no are like day and night,
One breaks as the other is falling.
Question the answers, stir the solutions,
In the end, for light, you must burn your conclusions;
Night and darkness love silence above all,
Not the equations of sun-loving apes,
Or their prayers for the dead of a world that's to come
0 +2 =1

0 +2 =1
It may not be nice, it may not be fun,
It may just be a halo of hissing snakes.
But if nothing is something, if to rise is to fall,
Then a child needs a name like a corpse needs a pall
Nonsense is better than no sense at all.
Hail to the lies by which all truths are hounded!
The murder is done, the temple is founded
When the current is grounded its circuitry hums:
0 +2 =1

[ZachOrem]

Faith and spirituality are important aspects of human nature. I firmly believe that there are as many hevens and hells as there are men and women.

As humanity's most powerful tool, there is something to be said for science - but to place your faith in such simple things as physics and biology and embrace an outlook of spiritual nihilism seems wildly masochistic. After all; how can science hope to touch the arcane concepts of conciousness and life when it can't even properly explain the mystery of gravity yet?

For now, the only way to understand death is to die. What happens afterward is possibly the first great adventure of a person's life.

You can be excited about it, or resigned. I know which I prefer.

[DaveDeVille]

Originally Posted by ZachOrem

Faith and spirituality are important aspects of human nature.
I firmly believe that there are as many hevens and hells as there are men and women.

As humanity's most powerful tool, there is something to be said for science -
but to place your faith in such simple things as physics and biology and embrace an outlook of spiritual nihilism seems wildly masochistic.

After all; how can science hope to touch the arcane concepts of conciousness and life when it can't even properly explain the mystery of gravity yet?

For now, the only way to understand death is to die. What happens afterward is possibly the first great adventure of a person's life.

You can be excited about it, or resigned. I know which I prefer.

wow ...
i feel like you've read my mind .

seriously .

[ZachOrem]

Originally Posted by david meissner

wow ...
i feel like you've read my mind .

seriously .

You know what they say about great ones.

[Yerf Dog]

Originally Posted by ZachOrem

You can be excited about it, or resigned. I know which I prefer.

Don't you hate waiting?

[nick g.]

I personally find it hard to believe there's any sort of afterlife, because I believe in the duality of nature. Because there's a context to everything - that is, nothing exists in and of itself. There's a cause and an effect.

Obviously, there's a beginning to life - because it exists now. Where there's a beginning, there's an end.

[cassanova]

Originally Posted by ZachOrem

Faith and spirituality are important aspects of human nature.

Maybe I'm reading too into this but, I'm under the impression that human nature are traits/behaviors, etc, that we're inherently born with, instinctual things.

Faith and Spirituality are a learned behaviors. We're not born with any concept of a heaven or hell and are taught about them. If anything, I'd say faith/spirituality are aspects of culture, which are morals, values, etc, passed down from each generation.

[nick g.]

^ This too.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by nick g.

Obviously, there's a beginning to life - because it exists now. Where there's a beginning, there's an end.

I strongly disagree - there's really no beginning and end to anything, only transformation.

[FritoBandito]

[ZachOrem]

Originally Posted by cassanova

Maybe I'm reading too into this but, I'm under the impression that human nature are traits/behaviors, etc, that we're inherently born with, instinctual things.

Faith and Spirituality are a learned behaviors. We're not born with any concept of a heaven or hell and are taught about them. If anything, I'd say faith/spirituality are aspects of culture, which are morals, values, etc, passed down from each generation.

You may be right. Spirituality could very likely be a learned behaviour. However - the fact that theological views on morality and ethics developed in parallel around the world during the ancient eras strikes me as a strong liklihood that spirituality is something that we were destined to adopt and not a product of our enviroment or culture.

Upon awakining into self-awareness, the first men were bombarded with emotions they could not understand: happiness, sadness, fear, lust... all the things that make us who we are. Because an intelligent mind cannot experience something without trying to rationalize or compare the expierence to something similar, our ancestors attached the most accurate label they could to these abstract concepts - for example feeling angry was the influence of the almighty 'god' of anger, because early humans didn't know about serotonin yet.

When someone points their index and middle finger at you, do you think "that is a gun"? Most normal people will - but fingers are not a gun - what you see is a hand in the shape of a gun, but your brain (and you have little choice in this) will connect the dots. The concept is called 'schema' - the tendancy for humans to view similar things as exactly the same when unsure of what it being looked at. A very handy survival mechinism - it's the reason why third world residants will sometimes get freaked out at water hoses, thinking they are snakes. It's also the reason, I think, why spirituality exists.

But I've rambled into territory that is forbidden by the forums, and I apologize. If anyone is interested in taking the conversation further, please PM me. Theology is one of my favourite topics, and I am always eager to hear other viewpoints.

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

and has led me to the insight that there is definitely life after death. It is no longer a question in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrMV...eature=related

Let me explain further.

Everything that we know in the universe contains, in its essence a duality.

on/off
space/form
conscious/unconscious

This natural law of the universe can be expressed through a picture of a sine wave:



So just as the seasons change there is an ebb & flow of life and death. We live, we die, we live, we die etc. Thus it seems logical to me that life must follow death since nothing in the entire universe is *always* in one state... even death.

[CapnSev]

Watch out for the Nothing!

[DudeistMonk]

EDIT: I'm gonna get my dumb self banned if I get into this for real. I'll PM.

[ZachOrem]

Thats the last time I speak in metaphor. Apologies, everyone.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

So just as the seasons change there is an ebb & flow of life and death. We live, we die, we live, we die etc. Thus it seems logical to me that life must follow death since nothing in the entire universe is *always* in one state... even death.

That's sort of what I was saying but I had a different take on it - I'm thinking that nothing begins or ends, just transforms. Ugh this is going to be hard to put into words... but let's say that there's a finite amount of what we perceive as "everything". And that "everything" (energy, mass, consciousness, time) is not created or destroyed ever, it never really begins or ends but rather is just in a perpetual state of constant transformation and recycling. meh OK this is getting too deep and would take my dense brain about 30 paragraphs to try to put into a coherent example.. I'll just leave it at that.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by DudeistMonk

EDIT: I'm gonna get my dumb self banned if I get into this for real. I'll PM.

Hey where 'you been? Haven't seen you on the forums in a while dude!