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04-08-2010, 07:21 AM
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04-08-2010, 07:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeland, FL | | What difference does it make?? He won't be charged with revenge  |
04-08-2010, 07:26 AM
|  | That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it.. | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Robbinsville, NJ | | | Well from an emotional standpoint, it's clearly revenge. But the law may dictate otherwise. Then again, it was plead down from 1st degree murder to voluntary manslaughter so it appears that it's going in the right direction.
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04-08-2010, 07:27 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeland, FL | | | Yes, I read it. |
04-08-2010, 07:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Leeds, UK | | | Just because he killed in revenge that doesn't mean that it isn't murder. The article says that it was an 'emotional reaction', rather than pre-meditated murder, but it seems to me like if you drive to someone's house with a loaded gun and shoot them, that's fairly pre-meditated. He didn't drive over there and shoot him by accident.
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04-08-2010, 07:43 AM
|  | (aka Greg Harman) | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dunbar, West Virginia | | | I honestly believe if this happened in West Virginia he would not do more than six months (mental health observation) and two years probation...the molester successfully raped the child because the child could not defend himself; if the molester had tried to rape the adult and was killed in self defense there would be no trial. I do not see much difference...
then you have the psychological torment of continuing to show up around his family...
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04-08-2010, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by etoncrow I honestly believe if this happened in West Virginia he would not do more than six months (mental health observation) and two years probation...the molester successfully raped the child because the child could not defend himself; if the molester had tried to rape the adult and was killed in self defense there would be no trial. I do not see much difference...
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The accused killer who is an adult was not being raped or attacked at the time of the murder.
The adult charged in this case killed his alleged accuser years after the alleged molestation(s). |
04-08-2010, 08:06 AM
| | (aka Greg Harman) | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dunbar, West Virginia | | | Yeah, I read the whole thing. If the person molested was my sister and she was raped by a pedophile in her youth; then, later found that rapist I would loan her the gun to kill the SOB or kill him myself...it would be her choice.
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04-08-2010, 08:13 AM
| | That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it.. | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Robbinsville, NJ | | Quote:
Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X The accused killer who is an adult was not being raped or attacked at the time of the murder.
The adult charged in this case killed his alleged accuser years after the alleged molestation(s). |
But one can argue from a psychological standpoint that the crime of rape is an almost "perpetual" crime in the way it affects and keeps on affecting it's victims.
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04-08-2010, 08:19 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Carol Stream, IL | | | Was McNeill ever charged with anything? Did any other victims ever come forward? |
04-08-2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic But one can argue from a psychological standpoint that the crime of rape is an almost "perpetual" crime in the way it affects and keeps on affecting it's victims. | And to add insult to injury the perv continues to "visit" his victim and his family...
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04-08-2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Yerf Dog Was McNeill ever charged with anything? Did any other victims ever come forward? | he was never charged, but other alleged victims have come forward
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04-08-2010, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Yerf Dog Was McNeill ever charged with anything? Did any other victims ever come forward? | The Prosecutor said four other victims had come forward but w/o further proof there could be no prosecution...
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04-08-2010, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X | Can't it be both revenge and murder? I didn't think the two were mutually exclusive.
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04-08-2010, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by etoncrow And to add insult to injury the perv continues to "visit" his victim and his family... | Exactly. I personally feel that this case is being handled quite well. Yes, he did kill this guy when he was unarmed and in his own home, and that IS in fact murder by definition regardless of the reason. However according to the law, it's been plead down to voluntary manslaughter which carries a much less severe sentence. This guy can actually end up getting nothing but probation. I like it. It's acknowledging that a murder was committed but is also taking into account the state of mind of the perpetrator.
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04-08-2010, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic Exactly. I personally feel that this case is being handled quite well. Yes, he did kill this guy when he was unarmed and in his own home, and that IS in fact murder by definition regardless of the reason. However according to the law, it's been plead down to voluntary manslaughter which carries a much less severe sentence. This guy can actually end up getting nothing but probation. I like it. It's acknowledging that a murder was committed but is also taking into account the state of mind of the perpetrator. |
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04-08-2010, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic But one can argue from a psychological standpoint that the crime of rape is an almost "perpetual" crime in the way it affects and keeps on affecting it's victims. | Could the same be said of a robbery victim after becoming a victim see's the robber in the neighborhood and the robber taunts his victim. And years later the victim decides to go over to the robbers house(who no longer lives in the same neighborhood) and takes his life. |
04-08-2010, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Could the same be said of a robbery victim after becoming a victim see's the robber in the neighborhood and the robber taunts his victim. And years later the victim decides to go over to the robbers house(who no longer lives in the same neighborhood) and takes his life. | No, not really IMO.
I'm not a psychologist but I don't see the two crimes as being anywhere near similar in emotional impact on the victim.
I'm thinking of the victim/"murderer" in this case - he was molested as a kid and it continued for a while. It eventually stopped but the molester kept on visiting his victim. That's a whole lot different than someone being robbed, then running into the robber years later and deciding to kill him.
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04-08-2010, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic No, not really IMO.
I'm not a psychologist but I don't see the two crimes as being anywhere near similar in emotional impact on the victim.
I'm thinking of the victim/"murderer" in this case - he was molested as a kid and it continued for a while. It eventually stopped but the molester kept on visiting his victim. That's a whole lot different than someone being robbed, then running into the robber years later and deciding to kill him. | Technically there is no difference.
A victim is a victim. And trauma to a victim is trauma no matter how one tries to soften the value of one crime to another.
Some robbery victims develop a phobia where they don't want to go out side any more, as well as some victims of rape.
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X a victim see's the robber in the neighborhood and the robber taunts his victim. |
And I also mentioned that the robber continues to taunt his victim as well. |
04-08-2010, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Technically there is no difference.
A victim is a victim. And trauma to a victim is trauma no matter how one tries to soften the value of one crime to another.
Some robbery victims develop a phobia where they don't want to go out side any more, as well as some victims of rape.
Why do you think they react like that?
And I also mentioned that the robber continues to taunt his victim as well. | You said the robber sees the victim and taunts him. That came across as "singular" to me.
If the robber kept on robbing his victim repeatedly, then stopped at one point but continued to taunt the victim, then yeah I can see this being waaay far-fetched albeit similar in that it may keep on affecting the victim then maybe even drive them to a breaking point.
But, I honestly am not following your point here?
Crimes and punishments come in all shapes and sizes and we have jury trials here - there IS no one-size-fits-all crime and punishment.
He's being charged with voluntary manslaughter which is a pretty well-thought out charge, no?
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