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03-03-2010, 08:09 AM
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03-03-2010, 08:26 AM
| | | Those are the perks when Daddy works in the tower.  Obviously the father was overseeing his kids instructions and although he is setting himself up for a problem I see nothing wrong with it. Had the kid made a mistake the father could have quickly and easily correct it. Also had I been the pilot receiving instructions from the child, I would have known if he said something incorrect and waited for confirmation or questioned the instructions. |
03-03-2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RWP  Those are the perks when Daddy works in the tower. Obviously the father was overseeing his kids instructions and although he is setting himself up for a problem I see nothing wrong with it. |
Interesting.
So how would you feel if you lost your job behind such negligence? |
03-03-2010, 08:31 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: COLORADO | | | When I was a kid, I got to give the time and temp "on air" at the local AM radio station once.
I thought that was pretty cool! |
03-03-2010, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Interesting.
So how would you feel if you lost your job behind such negligence? | Actually I would not consider that negligent. To me that is equivalent to letting a non-pilot in the right seat fly my airplane, which I do all the time. Would you consider that negligent? |
03-03-2010, 08:36 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Floral Park, NY | | | He's going to lose his job because of this. Very strict rules for communicating to pilots from the ATC tower. As cute as it was, it breaks some heavy rules and they will make an example of the ATC who allowed this. It's sad but thats the outcome I predict. As a TB'er who lives directly in the flightpath of the planes that land at JFK (they fly over the houses across the street and their landing gear is down and they have < 6 miles 'til they land, which is about 2 minutes) its a concern when ATC fools around. In inclement weather, sometimes they are directly over my house and its loud and feels like they might hit my chimney. I think because of the embarassment caused, the guy loses his job. |
03-03-2010, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaquo Child directs flights at JFK | I wonder if he will be up for an Oscar.
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03-03-2010, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jgsbass He's going to lose his job because of this. Very strict rules for communicating to pilots from the ATC tower. As cute as it was, it breaks some heavy rules and they will make an example of the ATC who allowed this. It's sad but thats the outcome I predict. As a TB'er who lives directly in the flightpath of the planes that land at JFK (they fly over the houses across the street and their landing gear is down and they have < 6 miles 'til they land, which is about 2 minutes) its a concern when ATC fools around. In inclement weather, sometimes they are directly over my house and its loud and feels like they might hit my chimney. I think because of the embarassment caused, the guy loses his job. | One major rule they broke is allowing people in the tower without the proper clearance. That alone will be enough for firings. It doesn't matter if it was someones kid. Heads WILL roll. I cannot imagine what the father or anyone involved was thinking. This isn't some grass field in Bum**** Kansas. |
03-03-2010, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RWP Actually I would not consider that negligent. To me that is equivalent to letting a non-pilot in the right seat fly my airplane, which I do all the time. Would you consider that negligent? | I see your point but there are rules in place that forbid anything like what they did from happening. I'm afraid the kids father will be working somewhere else in the very near future, along with any supervisors in the tower at the time. |
03-03-2010, 09:27 AM
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Endorsing artist:see profile/Current Setup | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CHICAGO,IL. | | | No matter how cute you want to make it. It is neglect.
A few years ago there was a case very similar as this one,in Russia where a child was doing the same thing. His cuteness caused a plane to crash killing over 70 passengers on board. |
03-03-2010, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker One major rule they broke is allowing people in the tower without the proper clearance. That alone will be enough for firings. It doesn't matter if it was someones kid. Heads WILL roll. I cannot imagine what the father or anyone involved was thinking. This isn't some grass field in Bum**** Kansas. | Yeah, I think I am wrong on this one. One thing I didn't consider is the distraction factor alone is a huge problem. These guys need to have 100% attention on their jobs and kids represent a HUGE distraction. This guy is toast. The kid is going to feel really bad too when he figures out he was the cause of his dad's firing.  My analogy to letting someone fly my airplane is lame. |
03-03-2010, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jgsbass He's going to lose his job because of this. Very strict rules for communicating to pilots from the ATC tower. | Agreed. I don't have a problem with it but to be fair they can't afford to be this lax with airport safety and security. What if an accident had happened while the kid was on duty? I know his father was there but the lawsuits would be astounding. I don't think there should be kids in the control tower, on drug raids, performing surgery, driving trucks or busses, and other situations with life or death potential.
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03-03-2010, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RWP Yeah, I think I am wrong on this one. One thing I didn't consider is the distraction factor alone is a huge problem. These guys need to have 100% attention on their jobs and kids represent a HUGE distraction. This guy is toast. The kid is going to feel really bad too when he figures out he was the cause of his dad's firing. My analogy to letting someone fly my airplane is lame. | The pilots in the plane probably looked at each other and said WHAT THE EFF??? I'll bet they thought it was someone playing games with them. I can just imagine their testimony  You are right in that whoever's involved is TOAST  |
03-03-2010, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker The pilots in the plane probably looked at each other and said WHAT THE EFF??? I'll bet they thought it was someone playing games with them. | Or they could have been too drunk to even notice. |
03-03-2010, 09:46 AM
|  | Some carrots are humiliated publicly | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Syracuse, NY | | | There are certain jobs that are fun to let children try and don't really hold any major error liabilities.
Pretty sure this isn't one of them.
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03-03-2010, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nortonrider Or they could have been too drunk to even notice. | This is true  |
03-03-2010, 10:18 AM
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03-03-2010, 10:24 AM
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03-03-2010, 10:28 AM
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