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02-11-2011, 02:49 AM
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I've heard from a couple of ob's that I work w/ that they have had patients come in with trouble concieving children. Unbenounced to the mom to be, an IUD was placed after birth of the first child back in the homeland. What are your opinons of birth/population control?
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02-11-2011, 02:54 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Edinburgh & Dundee, Scotland | | | Ethically, it's shakey, but I dare say, ethics isn't a science, it isn't exact and varies drastically from culture to culture. Tho people unknowingly being implanted with birth control, nah, don't agree with that at all.
Realistically, it is understandable in some senses (resources, reducing need for state support). But that's probably in part the hatred for the way in which things work here, where there are people who contribute nothing productive to society, just pump out a bunch of kids and live entirely off the state...
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02-11-2011, 08:57 AM
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02-11-2011, 09:02 AM
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02-11-2011, 09:10 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern New Jersey | | | Not surprising, considering the forced abortions and such. And there have been stories off and on of OBGYNs in China tying the tubes of women after they've had their child or a second child. Don't know if that accusation has ever been verified, though.
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02-11-2011, 09:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada | | | They're pretty serious about population control. I remember back when I was in high school, we had a new student whose family had just immigrated from China. Apparently their neighbours had their electricity and other amenities shut off when it was discovered they'd had a second child.
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02-11-2011, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Balog China violating human rights? That's unpossible! | This.
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02-11-2011, 09:22 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: (M)a$$hole. | | | come on. you just don't understand their *culture*. Jerks.
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02-11-2011, 09:23 AM
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02-11-2011, 09:52 AM
| | | | I'm against placing the IUD's...they should just surgically make them incapable of having more children after the birth of their 1st baby. |
02-11-2011, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Hain I'm against placing the IUD's...they should just surgically make them incapable of having more children after the birth of their 1st baby. | yeah man, forced sterility is waaaaaaaay betterer.
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02-11-2011, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by hover yeah man, forced sterility is waaaaaaaay betterer. | EUGENICS GO!
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02-11-2011, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk Ethically, it's shakey, but I dare say, ethics isn't a science, it isn't exact and varies drastically from culture to culture. Tho people unknowingly being implanted with birth control, nah, don't agree with that at all.
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There's the ethical implications of China's procreating policies and then there are the Durkheimian fuctional implications of China's procreating policies.
While placing the IUDs without consent doesn't exactly make me comfortable, it is better then forced abortion, IMO. 
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02-11-2011, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Balog China violating human rights? That's unpossible! | LOL
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02-11-2011, 11:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern New Jersey | | | Such policies have consequences that politicians often don't see. One child per couple, combined with the techniques now available so the parents know what sex their unborn child is, mixed with a deeply ingrained cultural preference for boys, equals lots of girl fetuses being aborted (or abandoned after birth) so couples can try again for a boy - and sometimes, again and again and again. Fifteen, twenty years down the road a lot of those parents are now not going to be grandparents - because there are a lot more teenage and twentish young males than there are girls for them to get married to. Sad situation all the way around.
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02-11-2011, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady Kayri Such policies have consequences that politicians often don't see. One child per couple, combined with the techniques now available so the parents know what sex their unborn child is, mixed with a deeply ingrained cultural preference for boys, equals lots of girl fetuses being aborted (or abandoned after birth) so couples can try again for a boy - and sometimes, again and again and again. Fifteen, twenty years down the road a lot of those parents are now not going to be grandparents - because there are a lot more teenage and twentish young males than there are girls for them to get married to. Sad situation all the way around. | In addition, the implications of the surplus of males in comparison to females is going to weigh on the psyches of a lot of men when there just simply aren't enough females to go around. That just...sucks all around.
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02-11-2011, 11:22 AM
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02-11-2011, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk Ethically, it's shakey, but I dare say, ethics isn't a science, it isn't exact and varies drastically from culture to culture. Tho people unknowingly being implanted with birth control, nah, don't agree with that at all.
Realistically, it is understandable in some senses (resources, reducing need for state support). But that's probably in part the hatred for the way in which things work here, where there are people who contribute nothing productive to society, just pump out a bunch of kids and live entirely off the state... | I don't agree with it either. It's easy to call foul on it based on our customs, but I daresay that Chinese folk will see things exactly the same way we do.
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02-11-2011, 11:32 AM
|  | is, against all odds, still a scuba viking. | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alta Loma, California | | | hm... well, given that China already has a huge population, I suppose some surreptitious birth control is a bit more humane than having millions of people starve to death due to a lack of available resources. On the other hand, if people want to starve to death due to excess procreation I guess that's their own right and responsibility.
I dunno.
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