CO just legalized

[rr5025]

Originally Posted by Lee H

is it really a bah humbug to point out that IDIOTS have given other users a bad image?

I did point out that the problem was with the PEOPLE, not the drug. Did you miss that part?

It seems that any time something is unregulated, there are those who will exploit it for their own benefit, at the expense of others. This is the case with CA's prop 215

just making a comment, like what you did, really does not help does it. You implied that I was against it, or grumpy, or whatever you wanted it to mean, but let's look at your comment for what it really was. You did not address my point at all. Instead you digressed to a more personal response to diminish any credibility my point would have had, and in doing so, redirected attention away from the substance of my statement.
Obviously you could not dispute my point, but you could not let it go unanswered, because it did not support your own beliefs... This is exactly the kind of mentality that is losing the support of Northern CA's non smokers.

We missed you lee.

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by capnsandwich

Wow, so this thread just went from "CO Legalized It" to "TB Potheads Unite!"

seems so.

[Mind Eroded]

Originally Posted by Lee H

is it really a bah humbug to point out that IDIOTS have given other users a bad image?

I did point out that the problem was with the PEOPLE, not the drug. Did you miss that part?

It seems that any time something is unregulated, there are those who will exploit it for their own benefit, at the expense of others. This is the case with CA's prop 215


just making a comment, like what you did, really does not help does it. You implied that I was against it, or grumpy, or whatever you wanted it to mean, but let's look at your comment for what it really was. You did not address my point at all. Instead you digressed to a more personal response to diminish any credibility my point would have had, and in doing so, redirected attention away from the substance of my statement.
Obviously you could not dispute my point, but you could not let it go unanswered, because it did not support your own beliefs... This is exactly the kind of mentality that is losing the support of Northern CA's non smokers.

hmm..ok so let's looks at the "substance of your statement"..you said
"As soon as it was approved for medicinal use, there was a mass movement to the norther part of the state, where there is better agg land. This resulted in huge increases in grammar school kids smoking, and massive crime increases. We now have the gangs and crap, up here, that were not present before our prop 215. "

sorry, i just don't buy it. Where are you getting this info from?.. You present some kind of doomsday scenario directly attributed to prop 215. (You also forgot to mention that nazis riding dinosaurs appeared in your neighborhood after prop 215 too.) It's easy to speak in very general terms to make some kind of grandiose "point", and at the same time make sweeping and derogatory generalizations about the people involved in a movement which obviously disgusts you, personally.

Now go back to your 6th floor book depository, "Lee H"

[ShredderMaximus]

Whoa, I'm totally like, deja' vu-ing here, like I've seen this happen before...
Just leave it alone, been there done that with Mr. H., believe when I say this is going nowhere.

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by capnsandwich

Wow, so this thread just went from "CO Legalized It" to "TB Potheads Unite!"

Incorrect. It was always "TB Potheads Unite!"

Originally Posted by Cabazon

I'm happy to see people are quickly moving past the "Medical marijuana" thing. That had me worried that pharmaceutical companies would find some way in and end up patenting marijuana or something, or that it'd be an actual prescription drug, which would just be a hassle.
The whole "Medical" bit is a joke too. Sure, cannabis has its uses for relieving symptoms of several diseases, but for the most part, it was people pretending to one degree or another that they've got something wrong with them so they can smoke pot. Coupling the paranoid tendencies of marijuana for many with the power of suggestion through repetition, that could have ended up with a nation full of stoned hypochondriacs.

We've all got something wrong with us, and most of those issues are reason enough to smoke weed. While I won't pretend that I use or need marijuana as a medicine, that in no way illigetimizes my back & shoulder problems, which are the reason I was granted my card. We won't end up with a nation of stoned hypochondriacs... your paranoia gives you cause to go get a card, should you be in California

Originally Posted by Mind Eroded

sorry, i just don't buy it. Where are you getting this info from?.. You present some kind of doomsday scenario directly attributed to prop 215. (You also forgot to mention that nazis riding dinosaurs appeared in your neighborhood after prop 215 too.) It's easy to speak in very general terms to make some kind of grandiose "point", and at the same time make sweeping and derogatory generalizations about the people involved in a movement which obviously disgusts you, personally.

Now go back to your 6th floor book depository, "Lee H"

I dont want to deny Lee's claims, as what he says could very well be the case in his local community, but I think where he errs is in taking the word of his local community and claiming the same for all of Northern California. While I wont deny that there is some criminal/gang activity in the marijuana game, from my personal experience in both Southern & Northern California, I can say that its largely not the case. Most growers Ive met and associted with arent in gangs or assoociating with them. It wouldnt make much sense anyway, as its not the profitable business it once was. Ive watched the wholesale cost of an ounce drop over 50%. There are much more lucrative criminal activities for gangs to carry out than cultivating, harvesting, and selling weed. Most of that work Ive seen done by hippies and organic type farmers. Again, I wont deny that there is absolutely zero criminal element involved, especially being that mj has not been legalized in California, but I do find Lee's argument full of holes, per my own experience. The specific case that he mentions in regards to grow zones within 1000 ft of schools (Im with him on that, its a stupid idea if not for personal use) does not correlate to the sentiment that 'no one in n.Ca wants legalized weed'.

Originally Posted by ShredderMaximus

Whoa, I'm totally like, deja' vu-ing here, like I've seen this happen before...
Just leave it alone, been there done that with Mr. H., believe when I say this is going nowhere.

+1

[Biggbass]

Originally Posted by elgecko

No way! Right on!

Way. 17 yrs.

[1SHOT1HIT]

Man, this thread got really argumentative.



I think if everyone just relaxed and smoked a fatty, we'd all get along MUCH better.

[MJ5150]

Yeah. Marijuana seems like it's about to go the way of politics and religion at TB. We get flashes where people can talk about it calmly, but neither side around here is good about presenting their case so it seems to me like it gets sideways almost every time.

-Mike

[ShredderMaximus]

Originally Posted by 1SHOT1HIT

Man, this thread got really argumentative.



I think if everyone just relaxed and smoked a fatty, we'd all get along MUCH better.

We should build a massive bubble around the Earth and hotbox the planet. Thats possible, right?

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Yeah. Marijuana seems like it's about to go the way of politics and religion at TB. We get flashes where people can talk about it calmly, but neither side around here is good about presenting their case so it seems to me like it gets sideways almost every time.

-Mike

My biggest gripe with the debate is that both sides often lie.

Welp, they passed it. We shall see what happens. I wonder if healthcare professionals are allowed to partake. My state is very strict with substance abuse with regards to licensed healthcare professionals.

[Oneirogenic]

Originally Posted by spade2you

My biggest gripe with the debate is that both sides often lie.

Welp, they passed it. We shall see what happens. I wonder if healthcare professionals are allowed to partake. My state is very strict with substance abuse with regards to licensed healthcare professionals.

My guess would be healthcare professionals would only be allowed if they have a prescription, much like narcotic pain killers. We will have to wait and see. Somewhat interesting, King County in WA dropped all misdemeanor possession charges for persons 21+.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by Lee H

is it really a bah humbug to point out that IDIOTS have given other users a bad image?

I did point out that the problem was with the PEOPLE, not the drug. Did you miss that part?

It seems that any time something is unregulated, there are those who will exploit it for their own benefit, at the expense of others. This is the case with CA's prop 215

just making a comment, like what you did, really does not help does it. You implied that I was against it, or grumpy, or whatever you wanted it to mean, but let's look at your comment for what it really was. You did not address my point at all. Instead you digressed to a more personal response to diminish any credibility my point would have had, and in doing so, redirected attention away from the substance of my statement.
Obviously you could not dispute my point, but you could not let it go unanswered, because it did not support your own beliefs... This is exactly the kind of mentality that is losing the support of Northern CA's non smokers.

I'd like to see your figures regarding the increase in school age kids smoking pot. I have not seen or read anything to this effect. I think the 1000 foot rule was fought on the premise that they are selling 'medicine' so it shouldn't be limited like alcohol and tobacco, which make no such claim. However, I agree, it was a dumb move.

[1SHOT1HIT]

Originally Posted by ShredderMaximus

We should build a massive bubble around the Earth and hotbox the planet. Thats possible, right?

One can sure dream!!! Can't they?

Can you imagine how incredibly fast violent crimes, and many other daily problems would abruptly reduce?

The world would all just take a deep breath, relax, have some really deep, informative, & creative thoughts, and reach for their favorite snack.
We'd all sleep till noon, normal business hours would be 2:00pm-12:00 am globally.
Not including night time oriented businesses.

The list really is endless.

.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by Oneirogenic

My guess would be healthcare professionals would only be allowed if they have a prescription, much like narcotic pain killers. We will have to wait and see. Somewhat interesting, King County in WA dropped all misdemeanor possession charges for persons 21+.

I suppose most of it will be up to the state board. Nebraska is probably going to be the last or 2nd to last to legalize it. I could see the rules being strict for those in healthcare.

[MJ5150]

Shouldn't they be? I think so.

-Mike

[ewe2]

Just from an Aussies perspective, its nice to see some relative rationality enter into the political arena regarding recreational drugs anywhere in the West. I bet old Bill Hicks would have moved to Colorado if he were here. He would have loved it.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Shouldn't they be? I think so.

-Mike

That's discrimination.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Shouldn't they be? I think so.

-Mike

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you here.

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Shouldn't they be? I think so.

Ok then what does "strict" mean exactly? The rules as they stand seem pretty damned strict.

I don't choose to use weed because I don't enjoy being impaired but it really does help ease the chronic pain I suffer. As I get older I can see getting to the point where the pain outweighs my dislike of being stoned and stupid at which point it should be solely my own decision to use marijuana. The stuff is no more harmful than beer and should be as readily available. Any argument for the correlation between pot and criminal activity only need look as far as the effect the Volstead Act had on the booze trade to see the truth of it.

[MakiSupaStar]

I just dropped elixir in my beer.