CO just legalized

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by spade2you

It is quite possible to have some residual BAC after a bennder or bennnder. Generally, it would be below the legal limit depending on how much was consumed and amount of time sleeping it of.

True, as I was saying in the post above, the last bender it took until 10:30am for the alcohol to clear my system. I know because I tested myself at 9:30am and though I was below the legal limit I was not at 0%.

I would hope so. I would have liked to think that it would have been addressed before such a law was passed.

Not unreasonable to have such a procedure in place before passing the law, I agree.

[Oneirogenic]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Sarcasm? Do you understand how many bogus studies were sent my way to justify why you should be allowed to smoke it because of how beneficial it is? Seems kind of unfair that something so safe and beneficial should be prohibited from me.

I'm confused.... no I'm not high. I do agree that bogus studies from either side are lame. It would be nice to see unbiased studies.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by Oneirogenic

I'm confused.... no I'm not high. I do agree that bogus studies from either side are lame. It would be nice to see unbiased studies.

But the truth is it isn't the cureall one side claims, neither is it the devil the other side claims.

The truth tends to be pretty boring and in middle.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by Oneirogenic

I'm confused.... no I'm not high. I do agree that bogus studies from either side are lame. It would be nice to see unbiased studies.

I'm mostly kidding, but in most pro MJ threads, fake studies were thrown about suggesting that it improved mental performance, cured AIDS and world hunger, etc.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

But the truth is it isn't the cureall one side claims, neither is it the devil the other side claims.

The truth tends to be pretty boring and in middle.

When you throw in the biostats, the truth can be insanely boring, too.

[Simo98]

Makes sense, in a job where you are responsible for other peoples safety anything that could have an impact on your performance should be avoided where possible. Drugs (medicinal or recreational) are one of the obvious ones, but sickness or sleep deprivation are concerns too.

Many forms of medication have warnings on the label informing the user not to operate heavy machinery, drive a car, etc. after taking the drug, at least here they do, but I'd presume the US is the same. I guess they would also aim to ensure Marijuana is sold with the same sort of warnings.

I'm not entirely sure on the legality of working etc. while under the influence of something like Codeine or Valium, but I expect it would be strictly against any sort of workplace health and safety regulations, and so if an individual was to be discovered under the influence there would be some action taken, or in the case of an accident likely found out after the fact and found liable.

As far as I know consuming alcohol at work isn't illegal, except under special considerations (operating heavy machinery for example, or driving obviously), but would be contrary to the code of conduct at a lot of workplaces and would probably result in some sort of action been taken, likely losing your job or some sort of warning.

In the event that a workplace didn't take due care to ensure that it's employees are fit and capable of taking other peoples safety into their hands, they would be the ones who are held accountable for any incident.


I think a lot of this stuff is fairly well regulated by employers themselves already, with Marijuana being legalised for recreational use rather than medical, there may be some teething issues, but I expect it won't take long before everything runs smoothly as ever.

[Oneirogenic]

Originally Posted by spade2you

I'm mostly kidding, but in most pro MJ threads, fake studies were thrown about suggesting that it improved mental performance, cured AIDS and world hunger, etc.

Idiots, cannibas is the cause of world hunger! I would truly like to see an unbiased study that clearly determines if someone who has inactive THC in their system is impaired in any way. Perhaps such studies have been done, I haven't looked. This is another wait and see thing. Some employers only drug test to get better insurance rates so I wonder what sort of things might change in relation to that.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

I suspect that the THC which has ended up in your bodyfat isn't going to have the interaction that it does while it circulates in the bloodstream (speculation here though, I've not looked at that angle either).

Though I dare say, sudden weightloss might result in impromptu highs

[a2zbassman]

Originally Posted by Chef FourString

The profit in people that will OD is that they will be gone. These will be the people that can't control themselves and the irresponsible; the dumb humans, if you will. These societal wasters already don't have a place in the world and do no good for anyone.

I hope this is some sort of attempt at humor.

If not, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. And I'm really, really glad people of similar views weren't the ones in charge of making the admitting and treatment decisions on the night my father was hospitalized for an alcohol OD. That trip to the ER was his, "hitting rock bottom." The results: a dad whom I didn't know for the first 10 years of my life, ended up never having another drink again. Plus, he turned out to be one incredible dad/husband/mentor/community leader/I could go on and on . . . .

I'm really not attempting to start anything here, and I'm sorry mods and anyone else, I've been trying to leave this alone all day, but in the end I couldn't, sorry.

Food for thought: I'm just saying everyone out there is someones Mom/Dad/Son/Daughter/Etc... and probably missed by someone. Some may have given up and blown numerous attempts at rehab, others??? maybe need just that one last chance. Where do we draw the line?????

I've said enough ??

Originally Posted by Chef FourString

In legalizing all drugs, we will be left with people that can use them medicinally and responsibly for recreation while being rid of the people that cause most of the problems. Imo.

If this happens I'm surely going back and getting my masters in addiction counseling. That'd be a Gold Mine!!

[Simo98]

Originally Posted by a2zbassman

If not, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. And I'm really, really glad people of similar views weren't the ones in charge of making the admitting and treatment decisions on the night my father was hospitalized for an alcohol OD. That trip to the ER was his, "hitting rock bottom." The results: a dad whom I didn't know for the first 10 years of my life, ended up never having another drink again. Plus, he turned out to be one incredible dad/husband/mentor/community leader/I could go on and on . . . .

I'm really not attempting to start anything here, and I'm sorry mods and anyone else, I've been trying to leave this alone all day, but in the end I couldn't, sorry.

Food for thought: I'm just saying everyone out there is someones Mom/Dad/Son/Daughter/Etc... and probably missed by someone. Some may have given up and blown numerous attempts at rehab, others??? maybe need just that one last chance. Where do we draw the line?????

This. It's all well and good to leave those who are "too weak" or whatever to look after themselves and die if that's what happens, and often it can't be helped, but you can never know when that one last chance might be the one that makes all the difference, nor the person they might become with a little help. Lots of people are in the positions they are in simply because they got dealt a **** hand in life, don't know what to do or how to get out of their position, and really all they need is the right opportunity to get back on track.

I think there is a healthy balance between leaving people to get what's coming to them, and giving people so many chances and so much help they never learn to help themselves.

I do quite strongly believe that people who abuse drugs/alcohol/whatever are people who will do so anyway, and will find some way to ruin themselves no matter what the law attempts to do to stop them, you can't protect people from themselves, only they can make that change.

What you can do, is give them the best chance of survival possible, harm reduction. We should ensure that these people buy their drugs from a chemist, where the product is as clean and safe as can be. Where they interact with regular society and are reminded of safe procedures and administration methods and where they are reminded that help with addiction, councilling etc. is there if they choose to take it. This is the best we can do to ensure that people do as little damage to themselves and the rest of society possible, and to give them the best chance of survival and recovery we can.

Treating people with problems like criminals and filthy low-lives doesn't help anybody.

[Chef FourString]

Originally Posted by a2zbassman

I hope this is some sort of attempt at humor.

If not, it kinda rubs me the wrong way. And I'm really, really glad people of similar views weren't the ones in charge of making the admitting and treatment decisions on the night my father was hospitalized for an alcohol OD. That trip to the ER was his, "hitting rock bottom." The results: a dad whom I didn't know for the first 10 years of my life, ended up never having another drink again. Plus, he turned out to be one incredible dad/husband/mentor/community leader/I could go on and on . . . .

I'm really not attempting to start anything here, and I'm sorry mods and anyone else, I've been trying to leave this alone all day, but in the end I couldn't, sorry.

Food for thought: I'm just saying everyone out there is someones Mom/Dad/Son/Daughter/Etc... and probably missed by someone. Some may have given up and blown numerous attempts at rehab, others??? maybe need just that one last chance. Where do we draw the line?????

I've said enough ??

If this happens I'm surely going back and getting my masters in addiction counseling. That'd be a Gold Mine!!

Good for your father.

[elgecko]

People of Washington and Colorado, has the sky fallen in the month since it was legalized?

[MJ5150]

In WA, it just went into effect yesterday, Thursday the 6th.

-Mike

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by elgecko

People of Washington and Colorado, has the sky fallen in the month since it was legalized?

[Joe Gress]

I haven't noticed any change here.

[elgecko]

Originally Posted by Joe Gress

I haven't noticed any change here.

Really? Your town hasn't been overrun by zombie-like stoners on crime sprees trying to support their drug habits?

[DwaynieAD]

Originally Posted by elgecko

Really? Your town hasn't been overrun by zombie-like stoners on crime sprees trying to support their drug habits?

what flavor is that chip on your shoulder?

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by DwaynieAD

what flavor is that chip on your shoulder?

Skunk.

I think elgecko was kidding with that comment.

[Oneirogenic]

The next year or so in Washington should be interesting. It's legal to have up to an ounce but there is no legal way to obtain it. An AP article asked if users are supposed to obtain it from the marijuana fairy. I think medical people with cards can grow but it would be illegal for them to sell it.....

[Joe Gress]

Originally Posted by elgecko

Really? Your town hasn't been overrun by zombie-like stoners on crime sprees trying to support their drug habits?

Nope. Although every time I go to a Loaf n Jug all of the Doritos seem to be sold out.