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06-15-2009, 11:24 AM
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JEPH LOEB SUCKS! i cannot imagine how this LOSER keeps putting out books. it's like everything he writes is the marvel version of archie and veronica.
GOD!
i've heard folks compare his writing to the random spewing of alphabits cereal by an upset-tummied pre-teen. i'm inclined agree.
/rant over.
(edit : forgot about some of his good books, so edited title to reflect that. heh  )
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06-15-2009, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by john turner  JEPH LOEB SUCKS! i cannot imagine how this LOSER keeps putting out books. it's like everything he writes is the marvel version of archie and veronica.
GOD!
i've heard folks compare his writing to the random spewing of alphabits cereal by an upset-tummied pre-teen. i'm inclined agree.
/rant over. | Is he related to Lisa Loeb? I always thought she was hot in a naughty librarian way.
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06-15-2009, 12:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Texas | | I have no idea who he is, but when I read the title, I was thinking...  |
06-15-2009, 12:39 PM
| | You don't want to do that. Trust me. Forum Administrator | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: atlanta ga | | | he's a writer for marvel. a crapy, juvenile, cheezeball, hannah-montanna version of a writer for marvel.
freakin childish drivel. he's like a junior highschool version of joss whedon. and i'm not much for whedon -he's like a highschool version of ... well, any mediocre writer.
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06-15-2009, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by john turner he's a writer for marvel. a crapy, juvenile, cheezeball, hannah-montanna version of a writer for marvel... | HEY! Say what you want about Jeph, but you leave Hannah Montana out of this....
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06-15-2009, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by john turner he's a writer for marvel. a crapy, juvenile, cheezeball, hannah-montanna version of a writer for marvel.
freakin childish drivel. he's like a junior highschool version of joss whedon. and i'm not much for whedon -he's like a highschool version of ... well, any mediocre writer. | Childish comics?
Who wudda thunk it
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06-15-2009, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by john turner he's a writer for marvel. a crapy, juvenile, cheezeball, hannah-montanna version of a writer for marvel.
freakin childish drivel. he's like a junior highschool version of joss whedon. and i'm not much for whedon -he's like a highschool version of ... well, any mediocre writer. | Notice Stan Lee doesn't let him near Spider-man anymore...Thankfully
Since Spider-man: Blue... |
06-15-2009, 01:20 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Valley | | | John we are all entitled to our opinions...
however you don't win 4 Eisner awards being a hack
no to mention a Golden Globe, a Saturn Award, The Writers Guild of America Award, and a Jules Verne award.
He also has a master degree in Film from Columbia
His TV credits are huge, his Movie Credits are a bit silly to list but i will try by hitting the highlights:
Movies: as writer producer
Teen Wolf
Commando
Burglar
Teen Wolf Too
TV: as writer producer
Flash TV Series
Smallville
Lost
Heroes
Comics:
Action Comics Annual #5
AskaniSon #1-4
Avengers (Vol. 2) #2-7
Awesome Holiday Special #1
Batman #608-619 ("Hush")
Batman: Choices: Legends of the Dark Knight Halloween Special
Batman: Ghosts - Legends of the Dark Knight Halloween Special Batman: The Long Halloween #1-13
Batman: Dark Victory #0-14
Batman: Madness - Legends of the Dark Knight Halloween Special
Batman/The Spirit
Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 8 #20
Cable #15, 17-39
Cable/X-force Annual 1995
Captain America (Vol. 2) #1-6, 12
Catwoman: When in Rome #1-6
Challengers of the Unknown (Vol. 2) #1-8
Coven (Vol. 1) #1-5, (Vol. 2) #1-3
Coven: Black and White
Coven: Dark Origins
Coven/Fantom Special
Coven/Kaboom Special
Daredevil: Yellow #1-6
The Darkness/Batman
Fallen Son: Death of Captain America #1-5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) #38-50
Fantastic Four Annual 2001
Fantastic Four: World’s Greatest Comic Magazine #4
Fighting American #1-2
Fighting American: Rules of the Game #1-3
Generation X #8 (Uncredited)[citation needed]
Generation X Annual 1995
Heroes Reborn 1/2
Hip Flask 1/2
Hulk: Gray #1-6
Hulk #1-
Iron Man (Vol. 2) #7-12
JLA: Our World at War
Justice League: Task Force #9
Kaboom (Vol. 1) #1-3, (Vol. 2) #1-3
Kaboom Prelude
Lionheart 1-
Loose Cannon #1-4
Onslaught Reborn #1-5
Re:Gex #0-1
Savage Dragon #50
Savage Hulk #1
Showcase '94 #5
Soulfire #0-4
Spider-Man: Blue #1-6
Stan Lee Meets Doctor Doom
Superman For All Seasons #1-4
Superman #151-183
Superman: Emperor Joker #1
Superman: Lex 2000 #1
Superman/Batman #1-25
Supergirl #0-5
Ultimate Power #7-9
Ultimates 3 #1-5
Uncanny X-Men #329-330
Uncanny X-Men Annual #18
Vampirella #18
Wildcats/X-Men: The Golden Age (Uncredited)
The Witching Hour #1-3
Wolverine/Gambit: Victims #1-4
Wolverine Annual 1996
Wolverine #50-55: Evolution
World's Finest: Our World at War
X-Force #44-61
X-Man #1-9
X-Men: Road to Onslaught
the stuff that he did with Tim Sale on the Batman is some of my favorite stuff....but then again I'm a huge Batman Nut
Not much of a fan of his Marvel Work or what he has done with some of the characters (i.e Fallen Son the Death of Captian America)....but having worked in this industry (comics) i can tell you he writes what Marvel Tells him to write....
and Joss Whedon is an over-rated tool
so i think there are a few million people out there that have a different opinion.....
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06-15-2009, 02:15 PM
| | You don't want to do that. Trust me. Forum Administrator | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: atlanta ga | | yeah, i read his wiki too, a long time ago, as well as own most of his work up until hush.  .
he has some decent stuff, yeah. he also has some awful disgusting tripe. red hulk? orly?
and did you really use teen wolf and teen wolf too as an example of his abilities?
well, at least we agree on whedon.
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06-15-2009, 02:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Valley | | | just playing devil's advocate dude...
Teen Wolf was a cool movie for it's day and for what it was....um only money can explain the sequel
most of my favorite comic book writers are fairly obscure some are well known...
James Hudnall
Frank Miller
Alan Moore
Dennis O'Neil
Neil Gaiman
Grant Morrison
Archie Goodwin
Kurt Busiek
Dave Sim
Roy Thomas
Len Wein
as i said to each his own
but also like i said he writes what Marvel Tells him to write....I used to work For Rebel, Malibu, Cross-Gen and Verotik Comics and trust me we wanted to go all kinds of places with characters and the editors would never let us do what we wanted 8 times out of ten....
i stopped reading and collection a few years ago (as i think it's all crap these days) although i still follow a few indie's
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06-15-2009, 03:29 PM
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06-15-2009, 03:37 PM
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06-15-2009, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066 just playing devil's advocate dude... | oh, no sweat bub, just pulling your leg  . just wanted to get a good comicbook throwdown going  .
just got done reading ultimates 3 - who killed the scarlet witch. it's awful - the ultimate universe is supposed to be geared toward younger folks, but still intelligently written, and most of it is. bendis does a fantastic job with ultimate spider man, for instance - i love that series - but loeb's ultimates are awful - like lame mtv versions of the heroes.
he's always gotta include cheesy sexual undercurrents and i think it's lame. and his dialog...oh man.
and red hulk? sheesh. marvel had just gotten done with the best hulk story arc ever, planet hulk/worldwar hulk, setting up hulk as being the strongest there is and then some in the framework of a fantastic story, on par with the best classic fantasy conan-style epics ever, and they also just scored an awesome coup getting jms to reboot thor, and what do they do? pull loeb's cheeseball red hulk out of the freakin discard pile and have him scramble the whole deal. weak.
but yeah, loeb's done some decent stuff i guess. hush was alright. i guess.
and shoot, even whedon gets a hit once in a while too - he did cowrite pixar's toy story. still. i hate crap that talks down to an audience, or pulls comicbook deaths, retcons and deus-ex's out of a never-emptying bag. it's insulting.
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06-15-2009, 03:54 PM
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06-15-2009, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066 you don't win 4 Eisner awards being a hac . . . no to mention a Golden Globe, a Saturn Award, The Writers Guild of America Award, and a Jules Verne award. | Who says hacks don't win awards? The entertainment industries are full of hacks who take turns giving each other awards. Quote: |
. . . so i think there are a few million people out there that have a different opinion.....
| We might assume those millions of people enjoy his work in spite of the fact that he's a hack. Or is it better to assume that anything popular must be high quality?
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06-15-2009, 04:45 PM
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06-15-2009, 04:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Valley | | | sheesh i forgot to add Mark Shultz, Mike Mignola and Garth Ennis to my list! must be due to old age!
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06-15-2009, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066 i might agree with you if it were not for the Eisners....these are voted on by other comic book professionals (not the general public) and the competition is extremely fierce! | yeah, i know. he's earned his stripes. just wish he'd been blocked at the net before he did a few of his more recent titles.
and, like i said, was trying to stir up some comicbook guy-like discussions. you know, "my slide rule can beat up your slide rule, using the super-power rules of dc's earth 2 universe" type geekfest.
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06-15-2009, 06:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Valley | | well i can hang with you on that for the most part (except for recent events) I haven't collected in about 10 years give or take....
I lost a lot of wind for Marvel when they Revealed that Spiderman wasn't Peter Parker but a clone...and his parents were still alive...... 
and Don't even get me Started on what DC has done to the Batman and Superman over the years....
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06-15-2009, 10:33 PM
| | You don't want to do that. Trust me. Forum Administrator | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: atlanta ga | | | just as an aside, i highly endorse the following titles if you're a comic fan and you'd dig getting exposed to some really good stuff from marvel and dc:
planet hulk/worldwar hulk - greg pak pwnz. i've never been much of a hulk fan but this story line is really fantastic
ultimate spiderman - bendis is an awesome writer, this is by far the best imprint of the ultimate series.
j michael straczynski (of babylon 5 fame) did an amazing job on spider man, and he's kicking butt on the current thor reboot.
alex ross's "justice" is really great, of course, with his art it's a hit every time.
the two volume ultimate ironman is pretty good - orson scott card is writing it.
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