Commits Suicide Over His Dog

[Dr. Cheese]

Soap Opera Actor Nick Santino Commits Suicide at 47 | Story | Wonderwall

[hover]

Oh, the story lines they come up with for soaps..

oh, it's real.....

Yup. Just as stupid.

[fmoore200]

Too soon? Yeah

[Steve]

Wait...he put down his dog because the building super was threatening a $250 fine?

Nah, I'm not going to say it.


I'll just sit here and think the hell out of it.

RIP Rocco

[colcifer]

That can't have been the reason the dog was put down.

[kesslari]

Very sad. Probably more going on here than we see.
Any time someone feels trapped enough to kill themselves it is sad. Also stupid and shortsighted (though those are generalizations).
Making light of it - also stupid and shortsighted.

[fmoore200]

Originally Posted by kesslari

Very sad. Probably more going on here than we see.
Any time someone feels trapped enough to kill themselves it is sad. Also stupid and shortsighted (though those are generalizations).
Making light of it - also stupid and shortsighted.

+1

Suicide is a devastating experience for the family, but I can't even imagine what is going through the mind of someone about to take their own life. So sad...

[cassanova]

I'm almost positive that there were deeper issues behind his suicide that him just euthanizing his dog. The dog, was probably the final step that pushed him over the edge.

[hover]

Sorry for the knee jerk reaction, would it have felt all warm and fuzzy and better for you all had I said the magic buzzwords "tragic, selfish and never the answer"?

I get it people so don't get all "Oh crikey, Hover's the insensitive demon" on me, it's still not the way. Like the guy had no one else to turn to for help? One of my good friends walked into his house to see his FIANCEE hanging from a rope. I have a bit of perspective. Still effects him to this day, and he's since been married, 10 years later, to a wonderful woman. I've close friends that had to bury their loved ones for this just this past year, one a girlfriend, the other a band's drummer. Not one word a lie.

It's tragic. It's permanent solution to temporary problem. It's this it's that. And it's also stupid. Get some help. Talk to someone. Easy words I know, but in each case above the parties left behind, in each case, thought the people were a-ok.

So my apologies for it being "too soon". Just hit a nerve in me at that moment. Mods, clear out my rampant insensitivity, I upset the neighbors.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by cassanova

I'm almost positive that there were deeper issues behind his suicide that him just euthanizing his dog. The dog, was probably the final step that pushed him over the edge.

Exactly what I was going to say, probably just pushed him over.

Originally Posted by hover

Sorry for the knee jerk reaction, would it have felt all warm and fuzzy and better for you all had I said the magic buzzwords "tragic, selfish and never the answer"?

I get it people so don't get all "Oh crikey, Hover's the insensitive demon" on me, it's still not the way. Like the guy had no one else to turn to for help? One of my good friends walked into his house to see his FIANCEE hanging from a rope. I have a bit of perspective. Still effects him to this day, and he's since been married. I've close friends that had to bury their loved ones for this just this past year, one a girlfriend, the other a band's drummer. Not one word a lie.

It's tragic. It's permanent solution to temporary problem. It's this it's that. And it's also stupid. Get some help. Talk to someone. Easy words I know, but in each case above the parties left behind, in each case, thought the people were a-ok.

While I agree with what you are saying.

However, it is a matter of perspective.

When you are that far gone with depression, you can't see the ways of getting help. Your mind is a mess, not clear nor rational and the only way out is to end it.

[hover]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

When you are that far gone with depression, you can't see the ways of getting help. Your mind is a mess, not clear nor rational and the only way out is to end it.

Ok, but what if there were no signs, no lettin on, it is crueler to walk around, basically lying to your loved ones by wearing the happy hat / brave face and then pullin the rug out when you KNEW FULL WELL you had a support group all around you that loved and cared at all times?

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by hover

Ok, but what if there were no signs, no lettin on, it is crueler to walk around, basically lying to your loved ones by wearing the happy hat / brave face and then pullin the rug out when you KNEW FULL WELL you had a support group all around you that loved and cared at all times?

And a lot of people do, do that.

They want the outside world to think that everything is ok and then eventually they can hit a severe low point where that is all they can see.

It doesn't matter if you "KNEW FULL WELL" that there was support, you are not thinking clearly, rationally or logically, YOU ARE NOT SOUND OF MIND.

I could be wrong, but I suspect from your posts that you have never suffered from clinical depression to the point that everything seems hopeless. Dealing with other people having it is one thing, dealing with it yourself is a completely different kettle of fish. I had a brush with major depression a few years back (family health, work stress, money issues, isolation and loss of a long term relationship pushed me over), logically, of course there was support there, but you are spiraling, you don't see it, you just see the negatives.

[hover]

For me, In some ways yes, and some ways no.

But in your case, I am truly glad you came out the other side of it *ok*.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by hover

For me, In some ways yes, and some ways no.

But in your case, I am truly glad you came out the other side of it *ok*.

I can appreciate that bud, it's one of the problems with any mental illness (or drift from "the norm"). Unlike most physical conditions, the way it effects individuals can vary significantly more!

What helped me was that I pretty much broke down when I went home to visit my parents, got some support thrust on me, medical help and started to restructure my life in a way that kept me busier. I don't think I ever would have gone the full hog, so to speak, but it certainly crossed my mind quite often at that point!

Cheers! I think I am about as *ok* as I'd ever be , but that has very little to do with the depression (which I am more than over these days), now I'm just a miserable cynical old man . I can look back at it as a valuable life lesson that helped make me realise the differences in perspective!

[cassanova]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

It doesn't matter if you "KNEW FULL WELL" that there was support, you are not thinking clearly, rationally or logically, YOU ARE NOT SOUND OF MIND.

This right here. Many people that have tried to and successfully killed themselves, knew there was help available. The problem is when you are that depressed you do not believe the help will in fact help you. There is still also a stigma against mental health and many people are still far too embarrassed to seek it because of said stigmas.

I could be wrong, but I suspect from your posts that you have never suffered from clinical depression to the point that everything seems hopeless. Dealing with other people having it is one thing, dealing with it yourself is a completely different kettle of fish. I had a brush with major depression a few years back (family health, work stress, money issues, isolation and loss of a long term relationship pushed me over), logically, of course there was support there, but you are spiraling, you don't see it, you just see the negatives.

I suffer from clinical depression and have been to the point you are talking about. It was a long term relationship that wound up pushing me over the edge. I had support, but didn't realize it because I'd spiraled so far out of control that all I saw was the negatives, nor did I realize all I was seeing was the negatives. Unfortunately, when you suffer from clinical depression, it's all to easy to let things spin out of control like that. It is imperative, (IMO) that everyone know the warning signs. Then when you feel it coming on, seek some support.

[fmoore200]

Originally Posted by hover

Sorry for the knee jerk reaction, would it have felt all warm and fuzzy and better for you all had I said the magic buzzwords "tragic, selfish and never the answer"?

I get it people so don't get all "Oh crikey, Hover's the insensitive demon" on me, it's still not the way. Like the guy had no one else to turn to for help? One of my good friends walked into his house to see his FIANCEE hanging from a rope. I have a bit of perspective. Still effects him to this day, and he's since been married, 10 years later, to a wonderful woman. I've close friends that had to bury their loved ones for this just this past year, one a girlfriend, the other a band's drummer. Not one word a lie.

It's tragic. It's permanent solution to temporary problem. It's this it's that. And it's also stupid. Get some help. Talk to someone. Easy words I know, but in each case above the parties left behind, in each case, thought the people were a-ok.

So my apologies for it being "too soon". Just hit a nerve in me at that moment. Mods, clear out my rampant insensitivity, I upset the neighbors.

When you make light of a situation like someone taking their own life by relating it to a poorly written soap opera it come of as crude.

I feel for you having had experience with this sort of situation in your life, but you must surely know then (through your own experience) that a person that depressed feels isolated even if there is a support group around them.

So yes, when a person takes their own life, for whatever reason, I think making a joke about it is "too soon."

[Tupac]

Originally Posted by hover

Sorry for the knee jerk reaction, would it have felt all warm and fuzzy and better for you all had I said the magic buzzwords "tragic, selfish and never the answer"?

I get it people so don't get all "Oh crikey, Hover's the insensitive demon" on me, it's still not the way. Like the guy had no one else to turn to for help? One of my good friends walked into his house to see his FIANCEE hanging from a rope. I have a bit of perspective. Still effects him to this day, and he's since been married, 10 years later, to a wonderful woman. I've close friends that had to bury their loved ones for this just this past year, one a girlfriend, the other a band's drummer. Not one word a lie.

It's tragic. It's permanent solution to temporary problem. It's this it's that. And it's also stupid. Get some help. Talk to someone. Easy words I know, but in each case above the parties left behind, in each case, thought the people were a-ok.

So my apologies for it being "too soon". Just hit a nerve in me at that moment. Mods, clear out my rampant insensitivity, I upset the neighbors.

Or perhaps it's selfish of the family to want the person to continue living a life of hell they don't enjoy?

[hover]

Ok, so light-hearted discussion forum gets a heady topic, and I am lambasted for offering and then having to defend a flip comment.

I don't really care to do this anymore so just respect that we can all have differing takes on this, and just call it a day.

And Tupac, are you really trying to rationalize / justify the act? I know I'm taking a step back by asking, but I'm genuinely curious.

[geeza]

Originally Posted by Tupac

Or perhaps it's selfish of the family to want the person to continue living a life of hell they don't enjoy?

Are you condoning suicide here?
There is ALWAYS another solution.

[sloasdaylight]

Originally Posted by Tupac

Or perhaps it's selfish of the family to want the person to continue living a life of hell they don't enjoy?

Life may suck, but the alternative is unacceptable. People change their lives all the time. It's never selfish for a family to want a loved one to continue living so long as there is not some sort of terminal illness involved.