Comparing UFC to Boxing, Martial Arts, Nah

[Fire-Starter]

I was watching a show a about a week ago where they were talking about UFC vs Boxing. I really think this is apples to oranges. I am now a fan of UFC and other sports as well, but one statement many people make about this is that " A UFC fighter would take a Boxer, Martial Artist, etc anytime"

True? I would say so, but its apples to oranges giving the fact a UFC is trained in a variety of fighting styles vs the one that just a Boxer etc would use, but..and I may get challenged on this....

1: I believe if you took the best UFC fighter, and the best Boxer and let them fight using ONLY the boxing, I would put my money on the boxer..apples to apples...

2: A UFC fighter against a kickboxer where the fighters could only use the skills of kickboxing, I would bet on the Kickboxer.

In both of the above examples, we are talking apples to apples, now in a all out fight where there are little to no rules. I would pick the UFC fighter. he is just armed/skilled with more weapons with chokes, breaks, knees, takedown, and it is really more of what a real fight would be like in my opinon.

So to be fair, I think if we are going to compare UFC against Boxers etc...the above examples are more consistant. Just my 2 1/2 cents.

[Some Groovy Guy]

Let's compare Hockey to Basketball while were at it.

[Poop-Loops]

When people say "take" they usually mean in a fight without rules. There is no reason to restrain an MMA guy from using knees and throws at that point.

Funny thing is, MMA guys train in boxing and kickboxing and a bunch of other stuff and then integrate it. There is no "magic UFC style". It's a mish mash of other styles, but through the years adjusted to fit better with the ruleset of MMA versus the sports where it came from. i.e. you can't clinch in a boxing match, but you can in MMA, so the way the boxing is taught is different than in a pure boxing school.

[santucci218]

yes, depending on the element of the fight there will be a different winner of course. i still like ufc more because its faster and more action packed.

[Aaron Saunders]

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[Dan Molina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jJgg3XHLhs

[Depth_Charge]

Originally Posted by Fire-Starter

I was watching a show a about a week ago where they were talking about UFC vs Boxing. I really think this is apples to oranges. I am now a fan of UFC and other sports as well, but one statement many people make about this is that " A UFC fighter would take a Boxer, Martial Artist, etc anytime"

True? I would say so, but its apples to oranges giving the fact a UFC is trained in a variety of fighting styles vs the one that just a Boxer etc would use, but..and I may get challenged on this....

1: I believe if you took the best UFC fighter, and the best Boxer and let them fight using ONLY the boxing, I would put my money on the boxer..apples to apples...

2: A UFC fighter against a kickboxer where the fighters could only use the skills of kickboxing, I would bet on the Kickboxer.

In both of the above examples, we are talking apples to apples, now in a all out fight where there are little to no rules. I would pick the UFC fighter. he is just armed/skilled with more weapons with chokes, breaks, knees, takedown, and it is really more of what a real fight would be like in my opinon.

So to be fair, I think if we are going to compare UFC against Boxers etc...the above examples are more consistant. Just my 2 1/2 cents.

When you take an athlete out of his chosen discipline and place him into a context of no rules, to the end fighting, the best fighter will win on the day, regardless of style. Period!

It's just convenient that a Mixed Martial Arts fighter is today the most conditioned for that environment in every aspect.

Oh and PS - I've seen a boxing match where one guy then uses some kicks, and the respect he earns doing that? The boxer puts him out of the ring, using only boxing, and wears kicks doing it, so I don't buy that gaffaw either, since a boxer is VERY well versed at keeping KO zones out of range, or defending them very well.

[MCBTunes]

I don't think anyone in the UFC under 205 pounds would want to meet Ricardo Mayorga in a dark alley. Even Rampage would be running for mommy .

Not only do I disagree with a UFC fighter beating a boxer/other martial artist when no rules apply, I disagree when it is said that the contest would be apples/oranges. A street fight is a street fight, whoever brings the most friends or the sharpest knife wins . Who is to say the boxer hasn't wrestled or dabbled in BJJ in the past? Keep in mind many of the UFC guys have day jobs, and most of them arent very well rounded fighters. Most of the wrestlers suck at striking, Matt Hughes; and most strikers dont bother wrestle, Liddell. That is fairly unimportant to the conversation, but what I am getting at is the skills of the majority of the UFC guys are over-rated.

[Aaron Saunders]

MCB, you're just showing a vast pool of ignorance there, especially in the comment about MMAists not being "well rounded fighters" -- that's the whole f'n point of MMA. Matt Hughes is a very good striker, and Liddell has world class wrestling skills. The thing about Liddell is he uses his wrestling skills to avoid take-downs and keep the fight standing up, where he (usually) dominates.

A professional boxer who's maybe dabbled in BJJ (taken a class or two) or who "did some wrestling" is still a far cry from an actual MMA fighter. That said, also, BJJ is designed specifically to eliminate the advantage of weight. Royce/Hughes/GSP/Silva/Rampage/Liddell would all leave Mayorga limping out of that dark alley with a broken arm.

Originally Posted by Depth_Charge

It's just convenient that a Mixed Martial Arts fighter is today the most conditioned for that environment in every aspect.

No, it's not "convenient" -- this is no coincidence -- this is the ultimate goal of any mixed martial artist. This is martial arts designed and trained specifically for the practitioner to be a complete, well-rounded fighter with solid ground and striking abilities.

[labgnat]

Boxing knows it's not any good right now and is defensive and wants to blow off the ufc sayin the guys have no skill which obviously isn't true.

[Baryonyx]

Joe Rogan crushes some boxing goon live on television in a debate. Boxers denounce UFC. UFC trounces all in terms of PPV sales.

It doesn't really matter to me.

MMA has El Guapo and Mauro Ranallo, I know where I'm at!

[middy]

One on one, grapplers have an advantage, but real life is hardly ever one on one... you don't want to get one guy in a lock only to have his friends stand around and kick you in the kidneys...

[Aaron Saunders]

Originally Posted by middy

One on one, grapplers have an advantage, but real life is hardly ever one on one... you don't want to get one guy in a lock only to have his friends stand around and kick you in the kidneys...

Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. No martial art is going to save you in this instance, except for the possibilities of firearms or the oft-practiced "Sneaker-Fu." Sneaker-fu of course being the long taught, thousands of years old martial art based like many on the movements of animals -- in this case, the elusive "guy who runs away really fast."

My brother's friend has done MMA for 8 years. A couple years ago, he was mugged -- and he put the guy down into the concrete like the cretin deserved. Then he got put into the hospital when the mugger's 3-4 friends jumped him from an alley and beat his ass gangbang style.

Streetfighting is stupid. Know what the lesson the guy learned was? Don't fight, just run.

[middy]

Originally Posted by Aaron Saunders

Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious.

You're welcome. No need to be snarky, sparky.

No martial art is going to save you in this instance, except for the possibilities of firearms or the oft-practiced "Sneaker-Fu."

Ahhh, so. 'Tis the one art I've mastered. Sneaker-Fu that is... still working on the firearms, but they are just backup for the Sneaker-Fu.

[MCBTunes]

Aaron, I disagree with your reply to my post. Matt's striking skills are laughable. His physical stature limits his punching abilities but the guy cant even keep his elbows in, it is terrible. And Chucks wrestling skills are far from world class(his striking skills are also), 4 years of college wrestling (did he even win anything?) hardly make you world class. He has good take down defense I'll give him that, but that is about all we get to see of his world class wrestling skills.

And these are supposed to be two of the elite of the sport. Calling them well rounded is ok I suppose but really, most of them have their niche then they just dabble in the other styles just so they arent too one dimensional. I realize you can list a bunch of guys that are good standing and on the ground, like Wanderlei Silva. But most of those guys get way to much credit for what they do.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Dan Molina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jJgg3XHLhs

simply put, Joe Rogan's a freaking idiot. And I think UFC is lame, because i see a couple punches thrown, and then a few guys rolling around together on the ground.
boxing is a sport of endurance, not just an encompassment of punching attacks

[Bernie Connors]

Originally Posted by scorpionldr

simply put, Joe Rogan's a freaking idiot. And I think UFC is lame, because i see a couple punches thrown, and then a few guys rolling around together on the ground.
boxing is a sport of endurance, not just an encompassment of punching attacks

You have no idea what you're talking about in either instance.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Bernie Connors

You have no idea what you're talking about in either instance.

dude, i probably watch more UFC than you. it's freaking lame. it's a bunch of guys getting off rolling around with other guys on the floor and giving the occasional punch, and then they go talk smack to eachother about it.
IMO boxing's a better sport because it's just more focused on making the most out of "one skill"

[Bernie Connors]

Originally Posted by scorpionldr

dude, i probably watch more UFC than you. it's freaking lame. it's a bunch of guys getting off rolling around with other guys on the floor and giving the occasional punch, and then they go talk smack to eachother about it.
IMO boxing's a better sport because it's just more focused on making the most out of "one skill"

I'm quite sure that you don't. Why would you watch it if you disliked it so much? And I don't just watch the UFC. Shows how much you know about MMA when you think that the UFC is the only promotion involved...

And MMA is a sport of two complete fighters in competition. Why is boxing better because it focuses on "one skill"? So boxers are better because they focus on one skill and forget about the others?

Please.....

[MCBTunes]

Originally Posted by Bernie Connors

I'm quite sure that you don't. Why would you watch it if you disliked it so much? And I don't just watch the UFC. Shows how much you know about MMA when you think that the UFC is the only promotion involved...

And MMA is a sport of two complete fighters in competition. Why is boxing better because it focuses on "one skill"? So boxers are better because they focus on one skill and forget about the others?

Please.....

I'm not sure if you follow boxing close enough to know who John Ruiz is. I am going to quote exactly how I see most of MMA, "Two John Ruiz's rolling around on the ground with each other for 15 minutes" or "Two sloppy boxers slugging it out bar brawl style" most of it is lame right now.

Give it a few years, when kids that train specifically for MMA and go all the way through ages 8-20 competing/training nothing but MMA turn pro. True fighting machines, then it will be worth following.

Was it Rich Franklin that learn't by watching tapes?