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11-02-2008, 12:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium | |  Congratulations Lewis Hamilton.
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Anyone seen the last Formula 1 race today?
That has got to be one of the most amazing finishes I ever saw.
I got goosebumps all over.
I have nothing against Massa, I guess he must be really bummed by missing the world title by just 1 point.
But I am a Hamilton fan.
Congratulations Lewis.
He deserves it.
(let's not go flaming each other if you don't like Lewis Hamilton, racing is racing, and I have nothing against the other drivers.) |
11-02-2008, 12:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norway | | | Been a Mercedes/McLaren-fan since I started watching as a kid, and Hamilton is undoubtedly a Schumaker in the making. Yay ^_^ |
11-02-2008, 01:29 PM
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11-02-2008, 01:44 PM
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He was cheated last season. It was scrappy today. Anyone know what happend to Glock? Was it just the tyres losing grip?!
Great race by Massa too, though. Kudos. |
11-02-2008, 01:59 PM
| | | | crap, not the way I wanted the season to end, but congrats to Hamilton.
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11-02-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Microbass Go Lewis! Yes!!!
He was cheated last season. It was scrappy today. Anyone know what happend to Glock? Was it just the tyres losing grip?!
Great race by Massa too, though. Kudos. | It was hard to see, but I guess that was it.
He could have stayed before Hamilton, but he made a mistake in the last corner.
I would have also found it great if Massa was world champion. But then I still would've cheered Hamilton on next year.
It was crappy for Massa today, but an exiting race.
I was on the edge of my seat. |
11-02-2008, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Atoz ******* Timo Glock. | There wasn't a whole lot Glock could do. Running dry tires in the rain is not an easy task.
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11-02-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Fire There wasn't a whole lot Glock could do. Running dry tires in the rain is not an easy task. | Yup, that's all part of racing.
Tire and fuel strategy.
I admit Hamilton won by luck.
He got his *** kicked by Vettel.
And Massa shined today, he had an amazing race.
But when it comes to the world championship points matter. He should've collected more points in the season.
The one with the most points wins, it's that obvious.
IMO they both deserved it, but I favor Hamilton.
It was one of the most exciting moments in Formula 1 today. |
11-02-2008, 02:38 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scotland | | | My dad and I had totally written it off when Vettel managed to get past... We were cheering!
Next season will be good. BMW stepping up the game, and I expect Red Bull to be stronger with Vettel and Webber. Hopefully Honda will bring their game too. |
11-02-2008, 03:38 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bilbao España | | | Massa deserved winning a lot more than Hamilton...
Most of Massa's errors have been due to team and mechanical failures... while Hamilton's have been due to selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win, he has had the best performing car and team through the whole season yet he was only able to win by a 1 point difference...
BTW Massa should take some wet driving training, he is by far the worst wet driver from the actual top 10. |
11-02-2008, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis he has had the best performing car and team through the whole season yet he was only able to win by a 1 point difference... | He did manage to get almost twice as many points as Kovalainen and Ferrari won the constructors championship (therefore the best performing team), so he is truly a worthy champion |
11-02-2008, 04:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium | | vene-nemesis,
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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis Massa deserved winning a lot more than Hamilton...
Most of Massa's errors have been due to team and mechanical failures... while Hamilton's have been due to selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win, he has had the best performing car and team through the whole season yet he was only able to win by a 1 point difference...
BTW Massa should take some wet driving training, he is by far the worst wet driver from the actual top 10. | selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win
Well, that's the proper attitude for a racer. As long as he is in his racecar (ro on motorbike).
I competed in national dirtbike races when I was younger. That's the attitude you should have.
When your helmet is on, you got to be the most arrogant guy you can be.
But, when the helmet comes off, you got to be a sober person again.
Most in the spotlight racers are either one or the other. Either to meak or to arrogant.
Not Hamilton I think. Great guy off the track, no mercy on the track.
(All okay as long as he doesn't break the rules.)
That is racing, a clash of egos wanting to overtake each other. |
11-02-2008, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfie He did manage to get almost twice as many points as Kovalainen and Ferrari won the constructors championship (therefore the best performing team), so he is truly a worthy champion | Very little drivers get used to their cars the first year they race in a new team, Kovalainen is not an outstanding driver like Lewis is so he was not going to be a good wingman out of the box. And remeber that racing is made both by team and driver... kovalainen has been the weak link for McLaren they lost the team championship due to his inexperience on McLaren next year might be a different story.
Ill be waiting to know next wednesday(date given by Briatore himself) to know wich will be Alonso's next season team.
F1 is going to be awsome in the years to come Vettel, Alonso, Kubika, Hamilton, Massa and maybe Raikkonen are going to give outstanding shows of speed. |
11-03-2008, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis Most of Massa's errors have been due to team and mechanical failures... while Hamilton's have been due to selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win, he has had the best performing car and team through the whole season yet he was only able to win by a 1 point difference... | Disagree...
True - Massa's mistakes have been down to team and mechanical failures, but that's how the game works. Most of his pace is due to team and mechanical issues too - he's won (and lost) because he was in a great car. You've just got to take those things. You can't take the credit when you win, and blame the team when you loose.
Hamilton made some mistakes, but (probably) didn't have the faster car. HK couldn't drive it, so either he's totally useless, or the car isn't as great as LH's making it look. If he had the best "team" then great - that's the way the game is played. However he DIDN'T have a teammate capable of backing in up, and gifting him points like Massa did (gaining him a couple of points).
Most of his critical points losses have been down to unexplained stewards decisions.
If Bourdais hadn't been penalised Massa would have had 1 less point. No one knows why this decision was made.
In the same race Hamilton was penalised for out breaking himself into a corner. He didn't hit anyone. His teammate DID hit Raikonnen in that corner but Hamilton was given a penalty for driving Raikonen off???
Hamilton's penalty for overtaking Raikonnen was a whole new game. He cut the corner, and gave the place back. Then he was penalised anyway, even though he gained no advantage from the move. Giving Massa 2 extra points, and taking away 4.
That's at least 7 points that are dubious. Add in the couple of points that KR gifted him (which it totally fair and OK - it's a team game), and Hamilton would have been a way ahead.
Not critisising Massa - he just drove the races, and did well, but Hamilton deserved the championship.
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11-03-2008, 03:54 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Brussels | | | the standard this season was exceptionally poor imo, and neither hamilton or massa really deserved it. i'm a ferrari fan and will say that i wanted massa to win (imo more deserving) as it was his car/ team that let him down most of the times, not his driving .
i think hamiliton will get his ass kicked once ferrari sorts out their silly mistakes.
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11-03-2008, 05:37 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston.UK | | I'm glad Lewis won the world championship! I hate how he gets bashed for wanting and being one of the best, thats what he and everyone else is there for, right? 
Also, someone said something about 'selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win', you find me 23yo that isn't exactly the same, nevermind someone with a sporting/racing background.
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11-03-2008, 06:21 AM
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I find it somewhat humorous that Ron Dennis has spent the last couple years making the point that he runs his drivers as equals, and then this year he doesn't even pretend to the equality. Heikki always had the heavier fuel load in qualifying. Although they may have been allowed to race on track, the decision made (in Lewis' favor time and time again) to give one driver a better strategy. Hardly the equality Ron trumpeted so much when MS was driving for Ferrari. |
11-03-2008, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by IanStephenson Hamilton's penalty for overtaking Raikonnen was a whole new game. He cut the corner, and gave the place back. Then he was penalised anyway, even though he gained no advantage from the move. Giving Massa 2 extra points, and taking away 4. |
He did gained advantage, McLaren usually uses a lot of wing to have a faster car on the corners, ferrari dont use this strategy a lot, but the thing is that slower cars are forced to have a lot less aerodinamic support to be able to be fast on straight line.
The chicayne rule states that if you cant go through the track's course and you overtake you must wait till the next corner to attack your opponent again. This rule is there to make slower cars more competitive.
Plus the driver that cuts the chicayne gets less tire and brake exahustion. |
11-03-2008, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by one I'm glad Lewis won the world championship! I hate how he gets bashed for wanting and being one of the best, thats what he and everyone else is there for, right?
Also, someone said something about 'selfrighteousness and his uncontrolled desire to win', you find me 23yo that isn't exactly the same, nevermind someone with a sporting/racing background. | Losing a whole championship once you have worked so hard because you have to act like a kid is what got him bashed, he is a great driver but highly unexperienced on strategical winning. |
11-03-2008, 06:59 AM
| | | | [quote=vene-nemesis;6481529]He did gained advantage, McLaren usually uses a lot of wing to have a faster car on the corners, ferrari dont use this strategy a lot, but the thing is that slower cars are forced to have a lot less aerodinamic support to be able to be fast on straight line.[quote]
Not quite following... AFTER the corner he was behind and going slower.
The chicayne rule states that if you cant go through the track's course and you overtake you must wait till the next corner to attack your opponent again. "
No they don't. The RULES don't say this now. Additional verbal guidelines say this but the RULES don't. These "guidelines" were issed AFTER the incident. At the time of the incident, the "guidelines" were that you had to let him back past, which he did. That's how it had been for years. The NEW guidelines were announced after the race, and applied retrospectivly.
The race director specifically said there was no foul at the time.
Raikonnen crashed out the next lap, so in the bigger picture no advantage was gained. He could have easily waited a corner and passed him again, as he was so much faster. He didn't because the referee TOLD HIM HE WAS GOOD TO START RACING. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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