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Old 08-30-2011, 01:49 PM
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Daryl Hannah Arrested For Peacefully Assembling Outside the White House.

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Most of you that know me, know I'm against our constitutional rights being violated like this. We have the right to peacefully assemble and it looks like that's what she and the others were doing. One thing that doesn't add up to me (and though the article states about 100 others were arrested) is why she was the only one targeted for arrest in the crowd? That all being said, and providing she didn't have an outstanding warrant, still should not have been arrested. Nor should the other 100, if they were being peaceful about it.

Daryl Hannah Arrested at White House | NBC Washington

Much-arrested Hollywood actress Daryl Hannah was taken away from the White House in restraints Tuesday afternoon.

Hannah was taking part in an ongoing protest against the unbuilt Keystone XL oil pipeline.

"Sometimes it's necessary to sacrifice your freedom for a greater freedom," Hannah said in Lafayette Park before her arrest. "And we want to be free from the horrible death and destruction that fossil fuels cause, and have a clean energy future."

With dozens of others, Hannah sat on the sidewalk in front of the White House and refused three requests from the Park Police to move.

The group organizing the protest, Tar Sands Action, has said the Keystone pipeline -- which will stretch from Canada to the Gulf -- is among the most important environmental decisions that confront the president.

An estimated 100 people were arrested outside the White House Tuesday. In Minneapolis, more than 20 protesters held up signs outside the American Legion national convention, at which President Barack Obama spoke Tuesday.

The protest over the oil pipeline started during the weekend of Aug. 20, when more than 100 were taken away by Park Police. During those protests, Sgt. David Schlosser said the Park Police made the arrests for the violation of White House demonstration rules. He said demonstrators are required to stay in the center portion of the sidewalk in front of the White House.

Hannah has been arrested while advocating for environmental causes in the past, from stopping traffic in West Virginia over coal mining to protecting urban gardens in Los Angeles.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:53 PM
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She wanted to get arrested. She got arrested. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Most of you that know me, know I'm against our constitutional rights being violated like this. We have the right to peacefully assemble and it looks like that's what she and the others were doing. One thing that doesn't add up to me (and though the article states about 100 others were arrested) is why she was the only one targeted for arrest in the crowd? That all being said, and providing she didn't have an outstanding warrant, still should not have been arrested. Nor should the other 100, if they were being peaceful about it.
Why she was targeted for arrest: Obviously beecause she was the only high profile person to make an example out of.

And the reason they were arrested: "Hannah sat on the sidewalk in front of the White House and refused three requests from the Park Police to move."

We do have the right to peaceful protest. Refusing orders from law enforcement is no longer considered "peaceful". Or this:

"uring those protests, Sgt. David Schlosser said the Park Police made the arrests for the violation of White House demonstration rules. He said demonstrators are required to stay in the center portion of the sidewalk in front of the White House."
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...refused three requests from the Park Police to move.

...demonstrators are required to stay in the center portion of the sidewalk in front of the White House....

Hannah has been arrested while advocating for environmental causes in the past, from stopping traffic in West Virginia over coal mining...
Protesting peacefully is all well and good, but if you refuse to move from somewhere that is either unsafe for some reason or interfere in the lives of people who aren't directly involved (like whoever was stuck in traffic in WV) will get you arrested. At that point it's no longer peaceful and I feel it borders on malicious. It's not the protesting in and of itself that's illegal; rather, it's what else she was doing while protesting that was illegal.
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The only thing that woman ever did to benefit mankind was break Jackson Browne's heart so we got some good songs out of him. Hannah is a total waste of space. She made a complete fool out of herself here in West Virginia; she did not have a clue what she was talking about or what she was doing.
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The only thing that woman ever did to benefit mankind was break Jackson Browne's heart so we got some good songs out of him. Hannah is a total waste of space. She made a complete fool out of herself here in West Virginia; she did not have a clue what she was talking about or what she was doing.
C'mon. At least give her credit for her role in Kill Bill.
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Ironic that this is what is happening to her right now.
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... and then they probably put her in a horrible large SUV-type vehicle that burns fossel fuels and destroys the planet in order to take her to jail.

I'm sure she walked to Washington; she'd never ride in a fossil-fuel burning jet airplane.
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Why she was targeted for arrest: Obviously beecause she was the only high profile person to make an example out of.

And the reason they were arrested: "Hannah sat on the sidewalk in front of the White House and refused three requests from the Park Police to move."

We do have the right to peaceful protest. Refusing orders from law enforcement is no longer considered "peaceful". Or this:

"uring those protests, Sgt. David Schlosser said the Park Police made the arrests for the violation of White House demonstration rules. He said demonstrators are required to stay in the center portion of the sidewalk in front of the White House."

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I really don't see what's so hard to comprehend about the "make no law" part about the first amendment. By making it illegal to protest without a permit, is in fact placing a law restricting the right to peacefully assemble, as is dictating where you can do it. It doesn't say Congress can make some laws saying you have to apply for permits if you want to protest, or you can pass laws saying, you can only protest here or there. It clearly states "make no law prohibiting."

If she and the others were putting themselves in harms way, or causing others imminent danger, then I can see having them move and arresting them for not complying. But they were sitting on a side walk. I used to live in the DC metro area, and there's no way in hell, I'll buy that they were putting anyone or themselves in harms way sitting on the sidewalk around the White House.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I really don't see what's so hard to comprehend about the "make no law" part about the first amendment. By making it illegal to protest without a permit, is in fact placing a law restricting the right to peacefully assemble, as is dictating where you can do it. It doesn't say Congress can make some laws saying you have to apply for permits if you want to protest, or you can pass laws saying, you can only protest here or there. It clearly states "make no law prohibiting."

If she and the others were putting themselves in harms way, or causing others imminent danger, then I can see having them move and arresting them for not complying. But they were sitting on a side walk. I used to live in the DC metro area, and there's no way in hell, I'll buy that they were putting anyone or themselves in harms way sitting on the sidewalk around the White House.
Not putting anyone in harms way, per se, but maybe inhibiting the rights of others to freely use said sidewalk? Not quite sure why you quoted my post for your tirade there, as I said nothing about laws. The police asked them to move, and they did not. They are no longer being peaceful, as they did not comply with the requests from the peace officers.
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Did you say Darryl Hannah?

If she were dressed like this(& this happened 20-odd years ago):

I would have arrested her, confined her & *interrogated* her repeatedly.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I really don't see what's so hard to comprehend about the "make no law" part about the first amendment. By making it illegal to protest without a permit, is in fact placing a law restricting the right to peacefully assemble, as is dictating where you can do it. It doesn't say Congress can make some laws saying you have to apply for permits if you want to protest, or you can pass laws saying, you can only protest here or there. It clearly states "make no law prohibiting."

If she and the others were putting themselves in harms way, or causing others imminent danger, then I can see having them move and arresting them for not complying. But they were sitting on a side walk. I used to live in the DC metro area, and there's no way in hell, I'll buy that they were putting anyone or themselves in harms way sitting on the sidewalk around the White House.
This topic has been addressed in every court. Your right to peacefully assemble is not unlimited and can be restricted for public safety.

Hannah could have moved a few feet and continued her protest, but she wanted to be arrested.
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If she were dressed like this(& this happened 20-odd years ago):

I would have arrested her, confined her & *interrogated* her repeatedly.
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If she were dressed like this(& this happened 20-odd years ago):

I would have arrested her, confined her & *interrogated* her repeatedly.
I would have shot her out of fear.
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This topic has been addressed in every court. Your right to peacefully assemble is not unlimited and can be restricted for public safety.

Hannah could have moved a few feet and continued her protest, but she wanted to be arrested.
Again, they were on the sidewalk, that is hardly a public safety hazard. Especially when you consider how large the sidewalk is around the White House.

I do agree with you that she wanted to be arrested though.
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Again, they were on the sidewalk, that is hardly a public safety hazard. Especially when you consider how large the sidewalk is around the White House.

I do agree with you that she wanted to be arrested though.
You can be a hazard on a sidewalk.
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those park police are such bitches to be honest. they are as bad as boat patrol cops. congratulations on failing at being a real cop
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