Don't mess with my friends

MJ5150 · #1 07-08-2011, 01:44 PM

OK, I need to re-examine my circle of friends. I posted a link a couple weeks ago about a friend of mine who beat up two guys who tried to steal his surveying equipment. Here is another friend of mine who stabbed someone and killed them, in self defense apparently.

Lacey police look into self-defense claim in fatal stabbing case - Crime Watch - The Olympian - Olympia, Washington news, weather and sports

-Mike

macaroni tony · #2 07-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Yeah, I'm gonna take a rain check on that football game Mike. I don't wanna rub any of your friends the wrong way

bassteban · #3 07-08-2011, 01:52 PM

I didn't say NUTHIN.

MatticusMania · #4 07-08-2011, 02:00 PM

My brother is that type. He's never stabbed anyone, but if it came down to it and he had to he probably would. He's kicked several dudes asses in defense of women he has never met. He'd go to bat for anyone in our family without question. At our wedding, one of the catering staff stole my wife's bag that had the cash from the money dance in it. My brother was ready to bust some heads. I had to tell my cousins husband, who is a LEO, to just turn a blind eye and let him do his thing.

aborgman · #5 07-08-2011, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ5150

OK, I need to re-examine my circle of friends. I posted a link a couple weeks ago about a friend of mine who beat up two guys who tried to steal his surveying equipment. Here is another friend of mine who stabbed someone and killed them, in self defense apparently.

Lacey police look into self-defense claim in fatal stabbing case - Crime Watch - The Olympian - Olympia, Washington news, weather and sports

-Mike

If it turns out he went into the house to get a knife then came back out (thus having had a chance to call police), it might be hard to pull off a self defense claim.

MatticusMania · #6 07-08-2011, 02:02 PM

On another note, my wifes cousin worked as a bouncer in a bar. He was stabbed and killed while trying to break up a fight between two drunken patrons. What were they fighting about? Which sports team was the best between their favorites.

MJ5150 · #7 07-08-2011, 02:14 PM

We'll see how it all plays out. I've known this guy since he was born. I haven't talked to him directly, just his brother who is my age and has been my friend for about 30 years. I am inclined to believe he felt his life was threatened. He isn't a fighting confrontational type, but who knows how it all really went down that night. Time to wait on the investigation to unfold.

I do know there is a large Samoan gang presence in these parts, and they have been responsible for some, violent and illegal activities now and then. This friend is mine is about half the size of your average Samoan, so it appears to be him and his buddy were over matched from the beginning.

-Mike

aborgman · #8 07-08-2011, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ5150

We'll see how it all plays out. I've known this guy since he was born. I haven't talked to him directly, just his brother who is my age and has been my friend for about 30 years. I am inclined to believe he felt his life was threatened.

Thing is - if you have an opportunity to remove yourself from the situation, you have to do it.

Feeling your life threatened PLUS no way of getting out of the situation other than self defense are both required generally.

MJ5150 · #9 07-08-2011, 02:26 PM

Yeah, yeah. I don't need your legal analysis/advice from Michigan OK? Think what you want, I'm obviously emotionally attached to this situation, so my opinion is just a wee bit slanted.

-Mike

aborgman · #10 07-08-2011, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Yeah, yeah. I don't need your legal analysis/advice from Michigan OK? Think what you want, I'm obviously emotionally attached to this situation, so my opinion is just a wee bit slanted.

Oh, it isn't about what I want. I wish your friend the best of luck in a very difficult situation.

I generally feel very sorry for the "self defense" folks in these situations. It's a very difficult, stressful, and dangerous situation that is basically a lose/lose for the upstanding citizen.

I'm just pointing out the legal aspects of it, whether I agree with them or not.

MJ5150 · #11 07-08-2011, 02:35 PM

OK, gotcha. I read your post entirely differently, so thanks for the kind and calm reply. My apologies.

-Mike

Kawai-chang · #12 07-08-2011, 02:39 PM

My big question is the fact that one guy let off a shot into the ground. He had a gun, and the fight was stil going on?

aborgman · #13 07-08-2011, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ5150

OK, gotcha. I read your post entirely differently, so thanks for the kind and calm reply. My apologies.

I generally think the laws have good intentions, but sometimes they hold untrained civilians to an overly high standard... plus they are sometimes self contradictory.

That being said, when it comes right down to it, the old saying applies:

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

Quickie · #14 07-08-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

My brother is that type. He's never stabbed anyone, but if it came down to it and he had to he probably would. He's kicked several dudes asses in defense of women he has never met. He'd go to bat for anyone in our family without question. At our wedding, one of the catering staff stole my wife's bag that had the cash from the money dance in it. My brother was ready to bust some heads. I had to tell my cousins husband, who is a LEO, to just turn a blind eye and let him do his thing.

I applaud this. Men hitting women....

Quickie · #15 07-08-2011, 02:48 PM

"The altercation started over a request for a cigarette."

And now there is a dead teen. Unbelievably sad.

username n/a · #16 07-08-2011, 03:35 PM

Smoking really does kill.

Snarf · #17 07-08-2011, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickie

"The altercation started over a request for a cigarette."

And now there is a dead teen. Unbelievably sad.

Not sad. Dead teen was a criminal ready to beat up or kill an innocent citizen over a cig. Good riddance. It's an uplifting story to me, because it seems like the man who defended himself isn't going to jail. Too many times, innocent civilians exercising their right to self defense (with or without a firearm) end up in jail, while more and more criminals realize that their victims become less and less likely to defend themselves.

Quickie · #18 07-08-2011, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snarf

Not sad. Dead teen was a criminal ready to beat up or kill an innocent citizen over a cig.

Really? I didn't read that anywhere in the article. Gosh, with your clairvoyance skills, you should have no problem winning the lottery.

skwee · #19 07-08-2011, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

On another note, my wifes cousin worked as a bouncer in a bar. He was stabbed and killed while trying to break up a fight between two drunken patrons. What were they fighting about? Which sports team was the best between their favorites.

An actor colleague of mine was very subtly removed from a Wisconsin bar because he had come in wearing a Vikings hat. The bartender was actually saving his life, he said, because two guys down at the other end of the bar were getting pretty riled up. My buddy even got his pint for free, he just had to promise to leave as soon as he was finished!

Snarf · #20 07-08-2011, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickie

Really? I didn't read that anywhere in the article. Gosh, with your clairvoyance skills, you should have no problem winning the lottery.

Samoan gang vs. American pedestrian. Ain't rocket surgery to do that particular equation.