EX-Kiss Guitarist Ducks Animal Cruelty Charges

[Dr. Cheese]

Hyocrisy Alert: Unlike Vick, Ex-Kiss Guitarist Vincent Dodges Animal Cruelty Charges

The article makes the point that this story seemed to generate no outrage while the Vick story dominated the news forever.

Oh well, you guys get one more chance to say how much you hate the Root.

[Mark Latimour]

More classic reporting....

Originally Posted by The Root

Just how exactly did the killing happen? Dog fight, maybe?

We won't speculate, but we will say that we are dumbfounded (not really), by the lack of publicity being given to Vincent's abuse of his wife and abuse of these dogs. The publicity given to DMX and his animal cruelty charges, not to mention Michael Vick, whom conservative Tucker Carlson said should have been executed for his abuse of animals, have not been reflected in the coverage of Vincent, who is a member of one of the most iconic, world-famous metal bands in music history. One dog dying from a dog attack is an accident, but four storage bins of dead dogs? We're calling foul on the play. For some strange reason (tongue planted firmly in cheek), we believe if this had been Bootsy Collins, PETA would be all over him and so would the rest of the media.

Bolded for emphasis.

Does the Root's job ads feature the strapline: "Idiots requried".

[Relic]

No, they're not speculating at all, sheesh....
They need some new and better writers IMO.

[jive1]

Comparing Vinnie Vincent to Michael Vick in terms of fame and media exposure is ridiculous. Vincent played on like 1 or 2 albums of a band that's decades past it's heyday.

A better comparison to Vick would be an actual celebrity who is still relevant now. For some reason, I think that if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning were found with a bunch of dead dogs and charged domestic abuse it would be all over the news. Heck, if one of their relatives had a run-in with the law it would be all over the news.

But seriously, comparing a 3rd rate celebrity like Vinny Vincent to Michael Vick? C'mon, it's like comparing ReRun to Denzel Washington. Of course Vinny Vincent won't get as much attention, because he's not as relevant today. Seriously, do you think if Clyde Stubblefield were arrested for domestic violence, it would get more attention than Vinnie Vincent? I doubt it.

[Mark Latimour]

I wonder if the writer knows how relatively unknown Vinny Vincent is compared to say Michael Vick ro DMX? Perhaps the writer just isn't a Kiss fan, but they're comparing the publicity around a guy who was a stand in for a couple of albums with some of the most well known entertainers in their genre. Basically their complaining because a not-so famous person didn't get as much publicity as a very famous person in tangently related circumstances? Hmmm.

[macaroni tony]

I'm still a little surprised not to have seen more "monster/evil/excrement/deserving of immediate execution" e-macho posts by now based on the thread title alone. Let alone what Vincent did himself.

Well...not all that surprised

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

Who?

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

I wonder if the writer knows how relatively unknown Vinny Vincent is compared to say Michael Vick ro DMX? Perhaps the writer just isn't a Kiss fan, but they're comparing the publicity around a guy who was a stand in for a couple of albums with some of the most well known entertainers in their genre. Basically their complaining because a not-so famous person didn't get as much publicity as a very famous person in tangently related circumstances? Hmmm.

I dunno...I hate to say this because I don't want to sound douche-y but I think that race is at the heart of this article and not fame or perceived fame. Though I'm now just as guilty of speculatin', but it's just one NJ guys opinion. Take it for what it's worth....

[aborgman]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

I'm still a little surprised not to have seen more "monster/evil/excrement/deserving of immediate execution" e-macho posts by now based on the thread title alone. Let alone what Vincent did himself.

Well...not all that surprised

I don't know what he did to the dogs, if anything.

If it turns out he was Vick style executing dogs for failing to fight - string him up.

Personally, I'm more interested in stringing him up for what it appears he did to significant other because that seems a lot more concrete.

[warwick.hoy]

Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

More classic reporting....



Bolded for emphasis.

Does the Root's job ads feature the strapline: "Idiots requried".

That's the first thing that popped out at me,...."we won't speculate,...but we just did,...and there's more to come".

I have to say though; I thought Doc's thread title was clever.

Oh and KISS sucks,....all of em,...the famous ones and the stand ins.

[macaroni tony]

Originally Posted by aborgman

I don't know what he did to the dogs, if anything.

If it turns out he was Vick style executing dogs for failing to fight - string him up.

Personally, I'm more interested in stringing him up for what it appears he did to significant other because that seems a lot more concrete.

People who fight dogs kill the ones who lose and are too injured to continue to fight, and the ones who go through the training but won't fight. They are of no use to the owners, and they can't turn them loose - the dogs are scarred for life, and can't function properly on their own in the outside world. Not only that, but the dogs would invariably be traced back to their owner and he would get found out.

Is this practice the main beef you have with Vick, or is it the practice pitting of the dogs to fight to the death as a whole?

Based on what they found at Vincent's residence, there is little doubt in my mind that he was fighting dogs. Taking it a step further, I have no reason not to believe that he was involved in the common practices of dogfighters - executions included.

I'm glad you mentioned that he beat the crap out of his wife - almost seemed like no one noticed.

It puts me down a little bit that there is much more in this thread about The Root's less-than-stellar journalistic practices than Vincent's whooping his wife's *** and having four containers of dead dogs in his yard.

[electracoyote]

Originally Posted by jive1

Comparing Vinnie Vincent to Michael Vick in terms of fame and media exposure is ridiculous. Vincent played on like 1 or 2 albums of a band that's decades past it's heyday.

A better comparison to Vick would be an actual celebrity who is still relevant now. For some reason, I think that if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning were found with a bunch of dead dogs and charged domestic abuse it would be all over the news. Heck, if one of their relatives had a run-in with the law it would be all over the news.

But seriously, comparing a 3rd rate celebrity like Vinny Vincent to Michael Vick? C'mon, it's like comparing ReRun to Denzel Washington. Of course Vinny Vincent won't get as much attention, because he's not as relevant today. Seriously, do you think if Clyde Stubblefield were arrested for domestic violence, it would get more attention than Vinnie Vincent? I doubt it.

Once again, the Asian guy nails it.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

People who fight dogs kill the ones who lose and are too injured to continue to fight, and the ones who go through the training but won't fight. They are of no use to the owners, and they can't turn them loose - the dogs are scarred for life, and can't function properly on their own in the outside world. Not only that, but the dogs would invariably be traced back to their owner and he would get found out.

Is this practice the main beef you have with Vick, or is it the practice pitting of the dogs to fight to the death as a whole?

Based on what they found at Vincent's residence, there is little doubt in my mind that he was fighting dogs. Taking it a step further, I have no reason not to believe that he was involved in the common practices of dogfighters - executions included.

I'm glad you mentioned that he beat the crap out of his wife - almost seemed like no one noticed.

It puts me down a little bit that there is much more in this thread about The Root's less-than-stellar journalistic practices than Vincent's whooping his wife's *** and having four containers of dead dogs in his yard.

I agree with you there and I personally think Vincent is an utter dirtbag.
It's just that that's not the point of the article. It's just saying Vick got all this attention and Vincent barely any, why?

I just really can't stand the way stuff is written in that publication...It's as though all they want is to create outrage, hate, etc. There's enough out there in the real world, no need to create any. I guess that's where the money is these days though.

[MJ5150]

Still sucks what the dude did, regardless of how much media coverage it got.

-Mike

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by Relic

I agree with you there and I personally think Vincent is an utter dirtbag.
It's just that that's not the point of the article. It's just saying Vick got all this attention and Vincent barely any, why?

I just really can't stand the way stuff is written in that publication...It's as though all they want is to create outrage, hate, etc. There's enough out there in the real world, no need to create any. I guess that's where the money is these days though.

The Root is not "creating" any outrage. If there weren't people who already felt things were unfair, their stories would not create any interest.

Frankly, I really wish The Root would either dump Nsenga Barton, or really work on her writing style, because I am tired of people going on about her writing instead of the actual subjects of her stories.

As for the whole issue of the Kiss/wife beater/dog killer, I really don't care, but it is funny how none of intense anger over dog abuse seems to be present here. If this were some black athlete or rapper, four dead dogs found on the premises would be enough to hang him in the media, no matter how badly the stories were written.

[THand]

Originally Posted by jive1

Comparing Vinnie Vincent to Michael Vick in terms of fame and media exposure is ridiculous. Vincent played on like 1 or 2 albums of a band that's decades past it's heyday.

A better comparison to Vick would be an actual celebrity who is still relevant now. For some reason, I think that if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning were found with a bunch of dead dogs and charged domestic abuse it would be all over the news. Heck, if one of their relatives had a run-in with the law it would be all over the news.

But seriously, comparing a 3rd rate celebrity like Vinny Vincent to Michael Vick? C'mon, it's like comparing ReRun to Denzel Washington. Of course Vinny Vincent won't get as much attention, because he's not as relevant today. Seriously, do you think if Clyde Stubblefield were arrested for domestic violence, it would get more attention than Vinnie Vincent? I doubt it.

Long time Kiss fan here, and Vinnie Vincent has never, never, Really mattered. He was a very short term employee in the very early 80's (not a real member), and it quickly became apparent he was a bad fit for the band, and they have had alot of legal issues with this nut-job. There are probably guitar and bass techs who mattered more.

[macaroni tony]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

As for the whole issue of the Kiss/wife beater/dog killer, I really don't care, but it is funny how none of intense anger over dog abuse seems to be present here. If this were some black athlete or rapper, four dead dogs found on the premises would be enough to hang him in the media, no matter how badly the stories were written.

yyyup.

[electracoyote]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

As for the whole issue of the Kiss/wife beater/dog killer, I really don't care, but it is funny how none of intense anger over dog abuse seems to be present here. If this were some black athlete or rapper, four dead dogs found on the premises would be enough to hang him in the media, no matter how badly the stories were written.

I'm pretty sure animal cruelty is offensive to most sane people, including most people posting to this thread, regardless of who perpetrates the crime.

However, the issue is, why so much attention to Michael Vick and so little to Vinny Vincent, when they are guilty of the same crime.

And I think that issue has been addressed pretty objectively and reasonably. It has nothing to do with their race. One is a has-been who never was, the other a very high-profile contemporary star professional athlete.

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

If it were Ace Frehley or Paul Stanley (or someone else whom people have heard of), I think the outrage might be on a par with that raised against Vick.

[THand]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

As for the whole issue of the Kiss/wife beater/dog killer, I really don't care, but it is funny how none of intense anger over dog abuse seems to be present here. If this were some black athlete or rapper, four dead dogs found on the premises would be enough to hang him in the media, no matter how badly the stories were written.

Sure you would, but the reason no one cares is because Vincent is a nobody....and the few people who are aware of him probably don't read the Root.

Did you hear about the cook in my home town that was accused of killing 19 dogs? He was black so you should have...you didn't because he isn't a culturally relevant personality today, just like VV isn't now, nor never has been relevant. BTW, the cook was found innocent because the dogs were vicious, he called the police for help, and they had it on camera where they told him he could kill them....his boo-boo was dumping the bodies improperly, so he was just charged with littering, basically.