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12-05-2007, 01:17 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL | | | One thing I found interesting in the long video was that if you're on the street and cops ask for your ID, in some states you're not required to give it to them.
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12-05-2007, 01:23 AM
| | Not Actually Knighted... Yet! | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio | | Some of them aren't working, good to know though 
But I have to admit, it is a rare occasion where I have something to hide from the cops... Funny story actually... I was like 16-17 and driving around with a car full of friends, when I get pulled over in this small town outside of the city where the speed limit was like 25 when it looked like it should have been 35 or so... but the cop is normal, and asks the usual question, "is there anything in there car I should know about", and being the stupid kid I was, I said " I don't have anything in this car..." (it was my sister's car after all, so how did I know not to say that?) 15 minutes later after the officer ransacked my car looking for paraphenilia, I had to explain to him that I really didn't have anything illegal in my car, and I just said the wrong thing...
Sometimes you have to learn the hard way...
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12-05-2007, 02:25 AM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio | | | Those are funny. Too bad most of it is BS. |
12-05-2007, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cheezewiz  Those are funny. Too bad most of it is BS. | Such as...?
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12-05-2007, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by cheezewiz Those are funny. Too bad most of it is BS. | Well that's a relief, here I was thinking I had a legal leg to stand on.  |
12-05-2007, 02:00 PM
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12-05-2007, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Armueller2001 Such as...? |
Such as....I'm not even going to get in a legal discussion on Talkbass. I swore that off years ago. I tell you what, go ahead and follow all the advice on those vidoes, then let me know how that works out for you. |
12-05-2007, 02:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stillwater Minnesota | | | Almost 40 years ago, in a stupid period of life
We had our band van pulled over by multiple officers and had to completely empty it so they could search. I mistakingly thought we were clean (both times). One of the times we were not. I could just about have killed one of the band members.
I think if we would have refused the searches, the vehicle would have been impounded and rin tin tin would have made a discovery. We for sure would have missed the gigs.
I get mad all over again, just thinking about it.
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12-05-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cheezewiz Such as....I'm not even going to get in a legal discussion on Talkbass. I swore that off years ago. I tell you what, go ahead and follow all the advice on those vidoes, then let me know how that works out for you. | Alright, cool, I'd rather not voluntarily give up my rights. If you want to, great, more power to ya! 
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12-05-2007, 04:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fayetteville/NC | | in general its just better to cooperate. unless you know you're in the wrong...then your just a dumbass anyways, for being in the wrong. i was in the wrong and admitted it. but we still have yet to see how that works out for me, but i'm going to iraq next year anyways, so i really don't care, 
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12-05-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cheezewiz Such as....I'm not even going to get in a legal discussion on Talkbass. I swore that off years ago. I tell you what, go ahead and follow all the advice on those vidoes, then let me know how that works out for you. | Is there anything in particular that you think is wrong? I was under the impression that it was mostly correct, with a few exceptions... for example drug/bomb sniffing dogs can circle outside your car even if you don't consent. If they signal, whoops... that's trouble. Also, cops can search your car for any reason in NYC, or so the signs say (post-9/11 patriot act kinda stuff).
I've heard that a lot of people have been successful using these methods. Most of the time when someone on the internet (I have no real life experience in these matters) gets busted for possession it's because he foolishly left something in the open, or he didn't refuse a search.
Of course, the purpose of the Bill of Rights isn't to aid in breaking the law, and this video isn't too subtle about the fact that people are using their rights to hide weed  |
12-05-2007, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ericman197 Of course, the purpose of the Bill of Rights isn't to aid in breaking the law, and this video isn't too subtle about the fact that people are using their rights to hide weed | Even if people AREN'T breaking the law, theres no reason why police should be able to search anyone, anywhere for any reason... when an officer asks me "do you mind if i have a look?" I'm going to gladly say no, because its my right to do so. I don't carry illegal things in my car.
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12-05-2007, 08:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: an ignore list near you | | | I've been in a situation where the search was refused. They came back with a warrant. That is usually the ending of the "I want to exercise my right to refuse a search" experiment. As cheezewiz stated, go ahead and try it.
edit: both of these cases involved homes, but feel free to extend the lesson. If the cops want to search your car, it is going to be searched. Fighting that will be a fun civics lesson for everyone.
Mike
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12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ericman197 Is there anything in particular that you think is wrong? I was under the impression that it was mostly correct, with a few exceptions... for example drug/bomb sniffing dogs can circle outside your car even if you don't consent. If they signal, whoops... that's trouble. Also, cops can search your car for any reason in NYC, or so the signs say (post-9/11 patriot act kinda stuff).
I've heard that a lot of people have been successful using these methods. Most of the time when someone on the internet (I have no real life experience in these matters) gets busted for possession it's because he foolishly left something in the open, or he didn't refuse a search.
Of course, the purpose of the Bill of Rights isn't to aid in breaking the law, and this video isn't too subtle about the fact that people are using their rights to hide weed | I find that people that smoke weed forget how strong it smells. If you're smoking in the car, rolling down the windows as the Cop pulls you over doesn't help!!! Reasonable cause can be anything. Unless the incident is all caught on tape, any discussion between you and the officer is meaningless. What happens if a canine unit or drug dogs are there when they pull your over?? Around here, they are all over the place, Polk County is the Meth capital of FL. You can't do much if one has a "hit" as he aproaches your car or walks up your driveway 
I agree with the rights as mentioned in the video, I just don't see it working as they did. |
12-05-2007, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Armueller2001 Even if people AREN'T breaking the law, theres no reason why police should be able to search anyone, anywhere for any reason... when an officer asks me "do you mind if i have a look?" I'm going to gladly say no, because its my right to do so. I don't carry illegal things in my car. | Oh, sure. It's just that the intention of the Fourth amendment isn't to aid in committing a crime.
mike_v_s: Don't they still need probable cause to get a warrant? I know that at times they will find a way to search anyway, but then you can argue in court that the search was unlawful on the basis that you did not consent, and that there was no probable cause. One of the ACLU tactics I've heard is to hide things in a locked safe. The only way a cop would be able to search it is with a court order for you to give up the code, because he knows that anything he finds in it will be inadmissible in court if he just busts it open. Such strategies won't always work, and they're a bit of a sleazy move as well. However there have been cases as bizarre as the police being ordered to return seized marijuana plants on the basis of an illegal search.
My main reason for denying a search (never been asked though, maybe I'm not cool enough?) is just because I want to go home. I think most cops would find that reasonable, although they may still want to search anyway.
By the way, do you guys think I'll be screwed for having lots of dog hair in my car? I'm not sure if that would make it more difficult for a search dog, or if it would cause a false signal. If the dogs signal and the police can't find drugs in my car, will it get impounded? Believe me, I've already checked and I can't find ANY drugs in my car 
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