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05-11-2008, 10:25 AM
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OR... Science vs. public opinion
I’ve noticed that on internet forums people tend to discount scientific explanations to their questions and offer their own explanations for the way things are. I know I have fallen into that trap a few times  A perfect example would be the arguments that ALWAYS start over speakers or what ever. People just can’t seem to bring themselves to see the point that the experts or builders are trying to make. And offer their arguments built on their feelings instead of facts. Most times they are so far off base it’s not even funny. And to top it off, they are argumentative to the point of bullying. As if being forceful makes them right. 
What do you all think?
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05-11-2008, 10:31 AM
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05-11-2008, 10:41 AM
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General Manager, Roscoe Guitars | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC, USA | | Doug, IME, most people (sometimes even including myself! ) do not like when reality challenges their closely held opinion. They can get downright antagonistic about defending that opinion, even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary.
This observation can be applied to a multiple of different scenarios.
Sad comment on human nature, including my own at times.
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05-11-2008, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gard  Doug, IME, most people (sometimes even including myself! ) do not like when reality challenges their closely held opinion. They can get downright antagonistic about defending that opinion, even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary.
This observation can be applied to a multiple of different scenarios.
Sad comment on human nature, including my own at times. | +1
It's what makes us human, though. |
05-11-2008, 10:54 AM
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05-11-2008, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by neurotictim
It's what makes us human, though.
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+1
Our ape brains lead us to believe in what feels right over what is logical.
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05-11-2008, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DougD OR... Science vs. public opinion
I’ve noticed that on internet forums people tend to discount scientific explanations to their questions and offer their own explanations for the way things are. I know I have fallen into that trap a few times A perfect example would be the arguments that ALWAYS start over speakers or what ever. People just can’t seem to bring themselves to see the point that the experts or builders are trying to make. And offer their arguments built on their feelings instead of facts. Most times they are so far off base it’s not even funny. And to top it off, they are argumentative to the point of bullying. As if being forceful makes them right.
What do you all think? | LOL. To top it off, people quote "evidence" consisting of ad copy from gear maker websites.
I can think of a couple of factors. The first is that people who are unfamiliar with a field don't even know how to tell whether an argument makes technical sense, but they want to feel that they can still figure things out on their own.
People are also extremely unclear on the extent to which a theory is expected to model reality. A lot of us tend to assume that if a theory contradicts common sense, the theory is probably wrong. |
05-11-2008, 11:03 AM
| | Bassman7654 | | Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: North Las Vegas NV | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard Doug, IME, most people (sometimes even including myself! ) do not like when reality challenges their closely held opinion. They can get downright antagonistic about defending that opinion, even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary.
This observation can be applied to a multiple of different scenarios.
Sad comment on human nature, including my own at times. | Man, you're so right.
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05-11-2008, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fdeck LOL. To top it off, people quote "evidence" consisting of ad copy from gear maker websites.
I can think of a couple of factors. The first is that people who are unfamiliar with a field don't even know how to tell whether an argument makes technical sense, but they want to feel that they can still figure things out on their own.
People are also extremely unclear on the extent to which a theory is expected to model reality. A lot of us tend to assume that if a theory contradicts common sense, the theory is probably wrong. | +1
I often find it quite amusing (and painful) to see people who OBVIOUSLY have no idea of what they are talking about; argue speaker science with you But it's not just speakers. I saw a thread where some fool was arguing about basses made on CNC machines vs. hand made. Someone had to jump in and try to explain the industrial revolution to the guy, and he still didn't get it  just wouldn’t budge.  I have come to the conclusion (thru trial and error) that it is sometimes better to shut up and listen 
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05-11-2008, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hbarcat |
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05-11-2008, 12:17 PM
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05-11-2008, 01:37 PM
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Makes sense to me. |
05-11-2008, 02:31 PM
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+1
Our ape brains lead us to believe in what feels right over what is logical.
We have ape brains? And that's what makes us human? Interesting concept. 
(A bit more on topic on my part)
IMO, many people like to show off to others how smart they are and proceed to boast their intelligence on a subject at hand. If somebody stomps on their ego by showing how wrong they are while they are doing so , they tend to feel hurt and put upon. This would then lead to them getting stubborn in the position of their perceived intelligence of the matter first at hand.
One of life's many viscious circles!
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05-11-2008, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LongHairFreak
We have ape brains? And that's what makes us human? Interesting concept. |
My understanding of human nature became much clearer when I figured out that our brains work fundamentally the same way as the brains of chimps, gorillas and orangutans. This upsets some people, but it's what we are.
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05-11-2008, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hbarcat My understanding of human nature became much clearer when I figured out that our brains work fundamentally the same way as the brains of chimps, gorillas and orangutans. This upsets some people, but it's what we are. |
...our brains work fundamentally the same way as...
Yeah ok, I get that man. With your first statement about "our ape brains", I thought you were going down the evolutionary path of apes to people.
Not only that, I thought it humorous refering to the way our ape brains think making us human.
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05-11-2008, 10:41 PM
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05-12-2008, 11:33 AM
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05-12-2008, 11:34 AM
|  | The Lowdown Diggler | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA | | I have no rhyme or reason for the things I choose to passionately support or refute. My opinions are colored with a blend of experience, stupidity, and unexplored regions of science. |
05-12-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar I have no rhyme or reason for the things I choose to passionately support or refute. My opinions are colored with a blend of experience, stupidity, and unexplored regions of science. | Good point I couldn't have said it better if i tried
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05-12-2008, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gard Doug, IME, most people (sometimes even including myself! ) do not like when reality challenges their closely held opinion. They can get downright antagonistic about defending that opinion, even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary.
This observation can be applied to a multiple of different scenarios.
Sad comment on human nature, including my own at times. | +1 well said
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