Is false hope better than no hope?

username n/a · #1 03-13-2009, 01:17 PM

MakiSupaStar · #2 03-13-2009, 01:18 PM

René_Julien · #3 03-13-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by username n/a

Is false hope better than no hope?

I hope not.

L-A · #4 03-13-2009, 01:29 PM

Not at all. False hope makes you push in the wrong direction. No hope makes you search for it elsewhere.

Mark Latimour · #5 03-13-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

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MakiSupaStar · #6 03-13-2009, 01:31 PM

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MatticusMania · #7 03-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Relic · #8 03-13-2009, 01:33 PM

aww you two guys....

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Mikio · #9 03-13-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by L-A

Not at all. False hope makes you push in the wrong direction. No hope makes you search for it elsewhere.

Genious.

froglips · #10 03-13-2009, 02:09 PM

What do you think religion is?

Edit:
To clarify ... I meant that religion can be both. In other words, whatever gets you through your life with the most happiness without hurting other humans, animals, or the planet.

Relic · #11 03-13-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by froglips

What do you think religion is?

false hope? Strongly disagree.
Many people find comfort, direction and meaning in religion. How is that "false hope"? That's a bit of an oversimplification, no?

MatticusMania · #12 03-13-2009, 02:15 PM

Religion isnt false hope, its just hope.

*edit: Unfounded hope if anything.

sean.1986 · #13 03-13-2009, 02:18 PM

"There is no try" - Yoda.

mike_v_s · #14 03-13-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by username n/a

Is false hope better than no hope?

I think we can all agree that if a person knew it was a false hope, they would stop putting stock in it, right? So the only people holding onto false hope are people who don't know it's false, correct? That being the case, they are the same.

Mike

bass12 · #15 03-13-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by froglips

What do you think religion is?

+1 (People really will believe anything if it makes them feel better...). As for whether or not it's better than having no hope, I guess that depends. If false hope just gets you through the day, well - I guess I can't argue too much there. If, on the other hand, false hope is compelling people to impose themselves upon others and kill in the name of an imaginary friend...

MatticusMania · #16 03-13-2009, 02:22 PM

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

lol at imaginary friend.

Relic · #17 03-13-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MatticusMania

Religion isnt false hope, its just hope.

*edit: Unfounded hope if anything.

But that totally depends on perspective and personal beliefs. Someone who's devout in their religious beliefs would not at all consider the hope that their beliefs may bring to be unfounded or false. Someone on the "outside" looking in may consider that to be the case, but a large part of a hope vs false hope argument comes from one's personal perspectives and belief system.
If someone fighting terminal cancer let's say, believes that god will cure them if they pray, they pray and it goes into remission. Was that false hope per se that the prayer would work? Then there's the other that may have prayed and ended up dying anyway, but believed that they woudl go to heaven or whatever. Misguided? Unfounded? Who knows for sure but I don't think religion is based in false or unfounded hope, it's just a system of beliefs that can guide someone through their life if they so chose for it to.

It's Friday and I'm thinking too much. What the heck is wrong with me??

Relic · #18 03-13-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_v_s

I think we can all agree that if a person knew it was a false hope, they would stop putting stock in it, right? So the only people holding onto false hope are people who don't know it's false, correct? That being the case, they are the same.

Mike

As usual Mike puts into 3 sentences what it took me 15 paragraphs trying to spit out....

MakiSupaStar · #19 03-13-2009, 02:33 PM

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MatticusMania · #20 03-13-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Relic

But that totally depends on perspective and personal beliefs. Someone who's devout in their religious beliefs would not at all consider the hope that their beliefs may bring to be unfounded or false. Someone on the "outside" looking in may consider that to be the case, but a large part of a hope vs false hope argument comes from one's personal perspectives and belief system.
If someone fighting terminal cancer let's say, believes that god will cure them if they pray, they pray and it goes into remission. Was that false hope per se that the prayer would work? Then there's the other that may have prayed and ended up dying anyway, but believed that they woudl go to heaven or whatever. Misguided? Unfounded? Who knows for sure but I don't think religion is based in false or unfounded hope, it's just a system of beliefs that can guide someone through their life if they so chose for it to.

I absolutely agree with you. The edit was added in only to provide the subjective view of those who do not partake of any particular religion. I stand by my statement, that religion is not false hope, just good ole regular hope.