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09-13-2010, 07:18 PM
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Not interested in political commentary. I just think this is indicative of the atmosphere that existed at that time.
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09-13-2010, 07:24 PM
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09-13-2010, 07:24 PM
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09-13-2010, 07:31 PM
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09-13-2010, 08:21 PM
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09-14-2010, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser not really surprised. | Maybe you're just not paying enough attention. |
09-14-2010, 07:25 AM
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09-14-2010, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound Maybe you're just not paying enough attention. | quite to the contrary, I think the people who are surprised are the ones who aren't paying enough attention 
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09-14-2010, 09:20 AM
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09-14-2010, 09:38 AM
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09-14-2010, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser quite to the contrary, I think the people who are surprised are the ones who aren't paying enough attention | This guy has the right idea.
I give the the article an inquisitive yet suspecting "Hmmm" as opposed to a unexpected *gasp*
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09-14-2010, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser quite to the contrary, I think the people who are surprised are the ones who aren't paying enough attention | +1
People like to doubt 'conspiracies' but hardly realize that there is a lot of truth out there that the masses are not privvy to.
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09-14-2010, 11:16 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland OR | | | A very sobering story. Whether or not it's true, I can't say. Regardless, it succeeded in putting one more nail in the coffin of 1960's idealism.
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09-14-2010, 11:31 AM
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09-14-2010, 12:14 PM
|  | The Lowdown Diggler | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA | | | Wow. Pretty interesting tidbit. Still, for me, it doesn't take away any of the relevance of his photos. He documented history, even if he wasn't upfront about which side he was on at the time. The only part I don't like is that the FBI was so involved in the day to day operations of what were essentially peaceful protests (I'm talking about MLK, and even, for the most part, Malcolm X). I really wonder if something as powerful, and relevant as to what amounted to the civil rights movement would be allowed to gain enough momentum to implement change in today's socio economic environment. Sadly, with the way government controls influences the media in this day and age, I don't think something like the civil rights movement would be allowed to bloom. |
09-14-2010, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar Wow. Pretty interesting tidbit. Still, for me, it doesn't take away any of the relevance of his photos. He documented history, even if he wasn't upfront about which side he was on at the time. The only part I don't like is that the FBI was so involved in the day to day operations of what were essentially peaceful protests (I'm talking about MLK, and even, for the most part, Malcolm X). I really wonder if something as powerful, and relevant as to what amounted to the civil rights movement would be allowed to gain enough momentum to implement change in today's socio economic environment. Sadly, with the way government controls influences the media in this day and age, I don't think something like the civil rights movement would be allowed to bloom. | You speak all kinds of truths here, Maki. Most importantly, to me, "it doesn't take away any of the relevance of his photos."
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09-14-2010, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar Sadly, with the way government controls influences the media in this day and age, I don't think something like the civil rights movement would be allowed to bloom. | I think all of the new communication technologies (cable news, blogs, twitter, TBOT) make it much more difficult for any government to control access to information. Maybe that makes ideas like civil rights even harder to suppress? I hope so anyway. |
09-14-2010, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser quite to the contrary, I think the people who are surprised are the ones who aren't paying enough attention | Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwesi This guy has the right idea.
I give the the article an inquisitive yet suspecting "Hmmm" as opposed to a unexpected *gasp* | While I'm mildly versed in the history of COINTEL and things like that, it still struck me that Ernest Withers was allegedly an informant.
If you're at all familiar with the man, this is quite a surprise, IMO. |
09-14-2010, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Nazium I think all of the new communication technologies (cable news, blogs, twitter, TBOT) make it much more difficult for any government to control access to information. Maybe that makes ideas like civil rights even harder to suppress? I hope so anyway. | The thing is, people dont use those technologies to express radical ideas and new ways of thinking. They, instead, use them to let the world know what they are having for lunch, and whether Beyonce or JLo looked better at the VMAs. They are just another pop culture induced distraction to keep peoples minds as far away from civil rights as possible. Any ideas purported by anyone via twitter, facebook, etc that intend to spark controversy can easily be erased by someone who works for those platforms and most likely is ordered to do so. They are the best tool of control the government has. Quote:
Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound While I'm mildly versed in the history of COINTEL and things like that, it still struck me that Ernest Withers was allegedly an informant.
If you're at all familiar with the man, this is quite a surprise, IMO. | While I don't have any names to give you, I'd venture to bet that there are a lot of people whom one would be surprised to learn were on the governments payroll.
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09-14-2010, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MatticusMania While I don't have any names to give you, I'd venture to bet that there are a lot of people whom one would be surprised to learn were on the governments payroll. | In the words of the teenage girl I passed by today, "Obvs." 
The difference here is the importance of this guy's photographs... Its a bit like finding out Han Solo was getting together for drinks with Darth Vader. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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