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Old 03-28-2010, 08:24 PM
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Go through and arrest them all.
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Go through and arrest them all.
Not that I don't feel the same urge, but what would you charge them with?
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Not shocking to me. Times are tough. Local cities have to cut back on spending all around. Less cops are getting hired. More people are poor and desperate so gang activity and membership is up.

Its pretty simple math in my book.
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Not that I don't feel the same urge, but what would you charge them with?
Poor choice in associates?
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Not shocking to me. Times are tough. Local cities have to cut back on spending all around. Less cops are getting hired. More people are poor and desperate so gang activity and membership is up.

Its pretty simple math in my book.
It shocked me a bit because it sounds like the plot from a forty year old American International B-Movie. I don't see why the bikers can't be treated like gang bangers in LA who are rouotinely picked on any imaginable citation just to keep them off the streets. I suspect the bike gangs have more money and are more connected to people who actually make things hard for the cops.
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I suspect the bike gangs have more money and are more connected to people who actually make things hard for the cops.
Yes indeed. They have lawers on staff. Any warrants, etc. must have all the i's dotted and t's crossed.
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If this was a crime the jails would be even more overcrowded that they already are. I suspect I and many other TBers would be in as well.
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Wow, that's some effed up stuff. I hope those responsible are caught and thrown away in prison for a long time.
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It shocked me a bit because it sounds like the plot from a forty year old American International B-Movie. I don't see why the bikers can't be treated like gang bangers in LA who are rouotinely picked on any imaginable citation just to keep them off the streets. I suspect the bike gangs have more money and are more connected to people who actually make things hard for the cops.
I agree, though I wouldnt pass up the idea of some of the more inner city gangs having serious connections. Sure, what we see is the gang banging shoot outs and murder initiations. What we dont see, are the very top of those orginizations (ie top tier bosses of the bloods, crips, what have you). I willing to bet some of those guys are a lot better off than you and I think they are...
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It shocked me a bit because it sounds like the plot from a forty year old American International B-Movie. I don't see why the bikers can't be treated like gang bangers in LA who are rouotinely picked on any imaginable citation just to keep them off the streets. I suspect the bike gangs have more money and are more connected to people who actually make things hard for the cops.
i don't imagine a town of approx 100k people has the police force capabilities of la either, though.

whoever is doing this is pretty stupid, tbh. if any of their stunts actually do something and officers get hurt or killed, they're gonna bring in all kinds of cavalry to assist the cops there. i dont' care how big that gang is they will not survive that kind of escalation.
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I read the article and immediately wondered if a rival gang might be perpetrating some of the acts. That way they get to lash out at the police and the Vagos take the heat for it.
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i don't imagine a town of approx 100k people has the police force capabilities of la either, though.

whoever is doing this is pretty stupid, tbh. if any of their stunts actually do something and officers get hurt or killed, they're gonna bring in all kinds of cavalry to assist the cops there. i dont' care how big that gang is they will not survive that kind of escalation.
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Not the cops, the gangs.
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The problem with situations like this is that one side "officially" has to follow the rules of engagement and the other doesn't.

And again the other problems of lack of budget, resources and time where as gang members have all sorts of time.
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But in all serious, Im against all cruel and unusual punishments.
So write a letter of apology to the paper shredder afterwards.
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It shocked me a bit because it sounds like the plot from a forty year old American International B-Movie. I don't see why the bikers can't be treated like gang bangers in LA who are rouotinely picked on any imaginable citation just to keep them off the streets. I suspect the bike gangs have more money and are more connected to people who actually make things hard for the cops.
But the Vagos arent gang bangers. You won't find them just chilling on the corner trying to push some rocks out on the street. Their association is more akin to a mafia, just look at these attacks, you dont find gang banging cholos doing this. Ive lived in gang swamped areas, and I know some people who know Vagos, theyre certainly a lot more organized than the neighborhood gang. I wouldnt be surprised if they had members in the very same agencies these attacks were perpetrated upon.

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I agree, though I wouldnt pass up the idea of some of the more inner city gangs having serious connections. Sure, what we see is the gang banging shoot outs and murder initiations. What we dont see, are the very top of those orginizations (ie top tier bosses of the bloods, crips, what have you). I willing to bet some of those guys are a lot better off than you and I think they are...
And while I absolutely agree with this, Im not sure how effective the gang task forced in LA have been at nabbing upper tier gang members, surely some of them, but its the lower tiered members that are out commiting the overt crime that leads to their warrants/arrests.

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I read the article and immediately wondered if a rival gang might be perpetrating some of the acts. That way they get to lash out at the police and the Vagos take the heat for it.
While not impossible, I dont think this is likely. Things would not go well for said rival gang should the Vagos uncover their identity.
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