Has anyone actually added a water conversion it to their car?

[JonathanD]

Has anyone actually added a water conversion it to their car?

Thanks
Jonathan

[MakiSupaStar]

I'm actually looking to do this sometime during the summer.

[J.D.B.]

Looks like a new variation on the mason jar-water/alchohol-waterpipe-under-the-hood device from the seventies? Those didn't do anything either."HHO gas" my butt! If this really did work don't you think they'd be on yer car already? 40% mileage increase? That would go well beyond the EPA C.A.F.E. requirements coming down the pipe over the next decade at least. BILLIONS would be saved by the auto companies. I remember all the crap that scammers brought out back then. The funniest one was the "alignining of the fuel molecules" device to install on yer fuel line. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. There's NO FREE LUNCH folks. At $50.00 a pop, the sellers won't need to worry about their fuel economy! One other thing, WATER DOESN'T BURN.
Josh

[Lalabadie]

If the objective is to reduce mileage by vigorously underpowering the engine, then yes it may work.

(And the electricity needed for electrolysis is taken from the battery, which is powered by fuel. Violating the law of conservation of energy is not a physically possible option.)

[JonathanD]

Originally Posted by J.D.B.

WATER DOESN'T BURN.
Josh

That is an ignorant statement.
I have seen it happen in person. I have seen a water(HHO whatever that is) torch work, touched the tip of the welder with my hand and it didn't hurt. Cut through aluminum very well.
Jonathan

[JonathanD]

I am also pessimistic. Thats why I want to see if anyone has had success.
Jonathan

[J.D.B.]

"That is an ignorant statement.
I have seen it happen in person. I have seen a water(HHO whatever that is) torch work, touched the tip of the welder with my hand and it didn't hurt. Cut through aluminum very well."

Are we talking about an automotive internal combustion(gasoline) engine or something else? If the former, than my statement is quite true. Have you ever filled yer tank with water and had the engine run? I have yet to see any of these "snake-oil" remedies produce anyuseful/economical results. I have been in this business over 25 years, so, show me the data.
Josh

[RWP]

A lot of people know that H2O is oxygen and hydrogen. And you 'can' extract the hydrogen from H2O. The problem is the amount of energy it takes to obtain a usable amount of hydrogen or HHO gas (Oxyhydrogen) isn't going to happen from your car battery under the hood.

Quote from Wiki:

Automotive

See also: water-fuelled car Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to increase automotive engine efficiency.
Many of these claims, prima facie, violate the Law of conservation of energy. See Conservation of energy and Electrolysis of water:Efficiency. To date, none of these claims have been proven, and most have been fraudulent.

[malthumb]

Folks,

In my day job, I am responsible for product planning for powertrain technologies, fuel economy technologies, hybrid product planning, and other related issues.

Do not waste your time with these water conversion gimmicks.
A) They dont work.

B) If your vehicle is still in warranty and you do one of these conversions, you will void your warranty, so when your engine malfunctions ( and it will) you will get ZERO help from your car company to get it repaired.

Keep in mind that every car company makes a wide variety of different engines. The designs of all the working parts are different. The calibrations required to make the various systems and computers work together are different from vehicle to vehicle. Why would it be reasonable to believe that anyone can develop a one size fits all product that runs on water instead of gasoline?

Truly an instance of "if it sounds too good to be true......"

Peace,

James

[Tsal]

Originally Posted by JonathanD

That is an ignorant statement.
I have seen it happen in person. I have seen a water(HHO whatever that is) torch work, touched the tip of the welder with my hand and it didn't hurt. Cut through aluminum very well.
Jonathan

What material was the tip? All it takes is some insulation, really. Hydrogen gas burns a bit cooler than standard acetylene gas, which is why it might seem that it doesn't heat the tip as much.

[hbarcat]

This stuff is a proven scam. Don't waste your time.


One of my friends asked me if this was a good idea and I (and a few other people as well) told him that it was a scam but he ignored us and found out the hard way that it's total crap.

[Ericman197]

People like to justify their water burning engines by calling it HHO gas. This is also known as water. There is no such thing as HHO. It's either water, or it's hydrogen and oxygen. The 'oxyhydrogen' burning torch does exist, but that has little to do with cars. People use those torches because out of convenience, not efficiency. No water electrolysis design has ever been proven to work, or proven not to be a total fraud. This is a topic brought up every other week on these and other forums. To date, no one has ever successfully replicated the design in real life, because it's impossible. Best case scenario is that your fuel economy drops somewhat. Worst case scenario is major inefficiency and engine damage.

[aborgman]

Originally Posted by JonathanD

Has anyone actually added a water conversion it to their car?

No, because I actually understand thermodynamics.

Make sure you buy a perpetual motion machine to go along with your water conversion kit.

[Dan1099]

Another Engineer checking in here...

THESE DO NOT WORK. There is no free lunch. At best, these will cause decreased effeciency. At worst, they can cause your engine not to run, or even cause permanent engine damage.

[hbarcat]

Love your "Spaceman Spiff" avatar!

[JonathanD]

Thanks to the guy that at least knows someone who did this.
I wont be trying it.

[6jase5]

We have one in a Freightliner tractor doing testing and few others in cars, they are real.

Crazy technology, met the guy who built the one in the tractor personally. It's unbelievable until you see it but I know nothing about the torch other than what I saw on youtube.

[Bob Lee (QSC)]

I've heard of water injection in piston and jet engines, but what is water conversion?

[6jase5]

Not trying to change the thread but...this weekend my friend drove his 1984 mercedes converted biodiesel stationwagon from San Diego to Big Bear (about 140 miles) and we drove around all weekend and back. It took 7 gallons up and 6 gallons back (at .50 per gallon from a local thai food restaurant). I think he spent less than 1K on the conversion and has no problem finding the fuel as he has a few suppliers since he offers them $.50 per gallon. I was amazed.

225,000 miles on that car and it runs like an ox, but smells like Wing Wah's Chicken.

I spent $56.00 in gas, he spent $6.50 on tempura oil and maybe half a gallon of diesel.

[envika]

Originally Posted by 6jase5

Not trying to change the thread but...this weekend my friend drove his 1984 mercedes converted biodiesel stationwagon from San Diego to Big Bear (about 140 miles) and we drove around all weekend and back. It took 7 gallons up and 6 gallons back (at .50 per gallon from a local thai food restaurant). I think he spent less than 1K on the conversion and has no problem finding the fuel as he has a few suppliers since he offers them $.50 per gallon. I was amazed.

225,000 miles on that car and it runs like an ox, but smells like Wing Wah's Chicken.

I spent $56.00 in gas, he spent $6.50 on tempura oil and maybe half a gallon of diesel.

that's really cool, but it's unlikely that biodiesel can support an entire world of cars--even though it's renewable, there simply isn't enough of it.