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03-29-2011, 11:34 PM
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03-29-2011, 11:37 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Purple Mountain Majesties | | | So they set them on fire in the UK. Interesting. I'll think of this every time I drive through Boulder. Someone should set those cameras on fire too. Of course they're up pretty high in Boulder. They shouldn't put them so low in the UK.
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03-29-2011, 11:38 PM
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03-29-2011, 11:38 PM
|  | THIS HAND OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER! | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA; Mitchellville, Maryland | | The minute I saw that you made a thread with "Heartwarming" in the title I knew sarcasm or satire was involved. I was right, lol  .
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Originally Posted by geeza I thought your name was one of those "it's spelled 'Kwesi', but it's pronounced 'Craig'." kind of names. | Me: Youtube, Flickr | 
03-29-2011, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwesi The minute I saw you made a thread with "Heartwarming" in the title I knew sarcasm or satire was involved. I was right, lol  . | No, actually you were dead wrong.
I get more naches from this than a basket of playful kittens.
You'll never understand me, son.
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03-29-2011, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bongolation No, actually you were dead wrong.
I get more naches from this than a basket of playful kittens.
You'll never understand me, son. | You're right I'll stop trying, lol.
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Originally Posted by geeza I thought your name was one of those "it's spelled 'Kwesi', but it's pronounced 'Craig'." kind of names. | Me: Youtube, Flickr | 
03-29-2011, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bongolation No, actually you were dead wrong.
I get more naches from this than a basket of playful kittens.
You'll never understand me, son. | You'll enjoy Angle Grinder Man as well, then 
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03-30-2011, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleFluffy | This is badass! Actually, so is the site linked in the OP! Not so much heartwarming as "HEELZ YEAH!" to me though  .
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03-30-2011, 12:21 AM
|  | no really, smokemeth&hailsatan | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pueblo, CO | | | Yay for vandalism, dangerous speeds in the city, criminal activity, and keeping road repair taxes high! Anarchy bitches!!! | 
03-30-2011, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleFluffy | Nah, the creepy costume makes me question his motives. Like clowns.
Real guys just have boot keys. They run ads on CraigsList, ~$50 to come and unlock you. I don't know how they get away with it, but they do.
And they don't wear silver jockstraps.
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03-30-2011, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Gress Yay for vandalism, dangerous speeds in the city, criminal activity, and keeping road repair taxes high! Anarchy bitches!!! | The problem, Jethro, is that these things are typically nothing but automated speed traps, which are usually illegal otherwise.
The entire bottom fell out of these here in CA a couple of times when the courts threw them out for being used as literally nothing else but income-generating devices deceptively placed in anomalously and arbitrarily-rated speed zones.
Robbery under color of law, in other words.
They haven't caught on much where they can't be intentionally abused. They don't pay for themselves.
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03-30-2011, 12:45 AM
|  | no really, smokemeth&hailsatan | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pueblo, CO | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bongolation The problem, Jethro, is that these things are typically nothing but automated speed traps, which are usually illegal otherwise.
The entire bottom fell out of these here in CA a couple of times when the courts threw them out for being used as literally nothing else but income-generating devices deceptively placed in anomalously and arbitrarily-rated speed zones.
Robbery under color of law, in other words.
They haven't caught on much where they can't be intentionally abused. They don't pay for themselves. | Simple way to beat them? Obey posted speed limits.
Just because the camera catches you doing something wrong vs an actual person, doesn't make the crime's punishment bendable, its still wrong, and you still got caught.
Plus its a reason not to drive through town at higher than safe levels of speed. | 
03-30-2011, 12:59 AM
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03-30-2011, 12:59 AM
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Tax increases coming your way! Real genius.
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03-30-2011, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST:::: So they vandalize all those cameras, but who pays for the repairs/replacements?
Tax increases coming your way! Real genius. | No, you have it all wrong.
They replace them within budget until they no longer turn a profit, then they give up and terminate the program.
It's completely about income-generation and petty empire-building, not safety or the common weal, so when it becomes bad business it ends. I've seen it happen repeatedly. When the courts made them unprofitable here, they stopped. The "safety" thing was pure canard.
So..."necklacing" these things is logical. The scary vandalism and heated, polarized public opinion over it also discourage other jurisdictions from taking on such a divisive and possibly dangerous headache if they haven't already.
See, actually it makes perfect sense as activism. As long as you don't start a wildfire and burn up Bambi.
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03-30-2011, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bongolation It's completely about income-generation and petty empire-building, not safety or the common weal, so when it becomes bad business it ends. I've seen it happen repeatedly. When the courts made them unprofitable here, they stopped. The "safety" thing was pure canard. | Actually, no, that's wrong.
I don't have the numbers on hand at the moment, but I'll have a look and try to find them. But basically (what I read about a month or so back), building, maintaining and operating the speed cameras costs more than they make back from the cameras. At least over here. Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Gress Yay for vandalism, dangerous speeds in the city, criminal activity, and keeping road repair taxes high! Anarchy bitches!!! | +1 Quote:
Originally Posted by Bongolation The problem, Jethro, is that these things are typically nothing but automated speed traps, which are usually illegal otherwise.
The entire bottom fell out of these here in CA a couple of times when the courts threw them out for being used as literally nothing else but income-generating devices deceptively placed in anomalously and arbitrarily-rated speed zones.
Robbery under color of law, in other words.
They haven't caught on much where they can't be intentionally abused. They don't pay for themselves. | That could be said for any variety of fine.
What about parking tickets? What about littering?
Know how to avoid it? Stick to the speed limit. Problem solved.
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03-30-2011, 04:17 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Leeds, UK | | | Regardless of whether they were installed simply as income generators, when they are installed, the number of RTAs goes down. They turned them all off somewhere (I can't remember where now...) and the number went up. Coincidence? I think not. As long as you drive safely and according to the law, you have nothing to fear - I know plenty of people who have never received a speeding fine. On the other hand, I also know several people who have received multiple fines. Go figure.
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03-30-2011, 04:44 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tennessee | | | They put up those blasted red-light camera's here and the accident rate went through the roof. They started scrapping a few of them, but they decided it would be best to leave them up in a few select spots, just to remind folks where they come from.
I'm very against both sets of camera's. In Tennessee, most "tickets" clearly state that an officer is providing testimony against you, and as such, the camera tickets can be rather easy to get out of. The reason that the dang things even make money is because people just mail their fines in instead of fighting the ticket.
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03-30-2011, 04:50 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Edinburgh & Dundee, Scotland | | | I remember that thread on red light cameras, I also remember reading into that and finding RTAs going down. Cameras don't cause RTAs, bad drivers do.
Another thing to note about speed cameras in the UK, most of them aren't active all the time. They cycle through which cameras are active, so while they won't always be able to fine, they do act as deterants.
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03-30-2011, 06:06 AM
|  | Registered User | | | | | From my knowledge, $100 fine, 3 penalty points that stay on your car license for 3 years thereby increasing your insurance payments for the next 3 years. Where they are placed here are on roads with with very little record of traffic accidents at all, especially the mobile cameras which pick a nice obscured spot to hide in. It's all about the money, make no mistake.
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