Heroin and TB (some Jaco content)

zuma · #1 07-17-2009, 05:54 PM

That got your attention didn't it?

Actually I mean TB as in tuberculosis not TalkBass! This article shocked me and I thought I would share: http://listverse.com/2009/07/08/top-...ho-died-young/

I had no idea that heroin and TB took so many lives. I suppose I always thought of heroin as a "modern" drug. Crazy stuff...

TOOL460002 · #2 07-17-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zuma

I had no idea that heroin and TB took so many lives. I suppose I always thought of heroin as a "modern" drug. Crazy stuff...

if memory serves, heroin was originally marketed as a cure for morphine addiction, as many soldiers were strung out from the civil war. not modern at all.

Nyarlathotep · #3 07-17-2009, 08:56 PM

So much death on TB recently....

Lazylion · #4 07-17-2009, 09:33 PM

I'd guess that most if not all those old-time jazz guys were heavy cigarette smokers. In the pic of Fats Navarro, he's playing with a cig in hand. Between that, the drinking, the hard living... not surprising the lungs would wear out. But yeah, a lot of them were quite young. So much great music never got played.

Chunk-O-Funk · #5 12-28-2009, 11:09 PM

I'm not sure how far back heroin goes, but I can tell you it's hardly a modern drug.

As far as tuberculosis is concerned, a lot of people died from it back the 1940's. I remember there being some history of outbreaks of TB, so did a little google'n. There was an outbreak in California in the 1940's that reportedly would kill entire families. Also, there wasn't even a drug to treat TB until some time in the late 1940's. Scary stuff.

A-Step-Towards · #6 12-28-2009, 11:12 PM

liver hemorrhage sounds like a horrible death

Nyarlathotep · #7 12-29-2009, 12:48 AM

Most "death" is horrible. Kindof puts the kibosh on that whole "life" thing......

Fassa Albrecht · #8 06-22-2010, 06:55 AM

If my memory serves me correctly, use of opium (the raw ingredient in heroin production) dates back pretty much into pre-history. Even in Stone Age graves, poppy remains have been found.

But heroin/morphine itself is a Victorian drug. It was used not only as a painkiller, but also in laudanum, a herbal morphine drink, as a cough medicine among other things. There were a few court cases in the late 1800s where children in orphanages were given large quantities of the mixture to help them sleep, only for them to overdose and die.

It's still used in this form for treatment of addicts who are pregnant or nursing newborns both in the UK and US, although it's highly controlled.

And with relation to the OP, drugs probably killed more musicians than people would like to realize.

R. Laevinus · #9 06-22-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht

And with relation to the OP, drugs probably killed more musicians than people would like to realize.

+1. Drugs almost killed this one. Heck, they're still trying.

Don't do drugs, kids. Wanna end up like me?

i_got_a_mohawk · #10 06-22-2010, 09:20 AM

Gotta remember that vaccination for TB has been around for less than a hundred years and only really wide spread for the last 50-60 years.

foal30 · #11 06-23-2010, 02:38 AM

yes Tobacco must have killed thousands of musicians
don't do drugs

A-Step-Towards · #12 06-23-2010, 02:44 AM

opium has been used in china for thousands of years

Schlyder · #13 06-23-2010, 03:21 AM

Drugs are bad, em'kay. LOL

DigMe · #14 06-23-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazylion

I'd guess that most if not all those old-time jazz guys were heavy cigarette smokers. In the pic of Fats Navarro, he's playing with a cig in hand. Between that, the drinking, the hard living... not surprising the lungs would wear out. But yeah, a lot of them were quite young. So much great music never got played.

TB is a disease that one can catch and die from
regardless of the condition of the lungs.

bc

newbold · #15 06-23-2010, 03:40 PM

Cocaine was marketed as a morphine substitute.

When injected, your body METABOLIZES heroin INTO morphine. When smoked or snorted, it just turns into morphine itself.

Certainly different beasts from every account I've read/heard.

Crack/meth are modern drugs.

i_got_a_mohawk · #16 06-23-2010, 03:53 PM

The difference when you inject it is (well, very simply) that it crosses the blood-brain barrier before being deacetylated into morphine. When taken orally, it is deacetylated primarily in your liver. Your liver also acts to filter out a fairly high proportion of it.

That's why injecting has a greater impact as the body isn't able to get rid of it as quickly.

In neither instance does it do it by "itself".

Also, if you look back in history, "Heroin" didn't appear til the late 1800's (granted, opiates were around long long before this), meth was first produced around about the same time. Tho granted, I think crack is much more modern.