Hitler ... jewish?

Bigjohn · #1 08-24-2010, 10:37 PM

This has been suggested before ... that Hitlers grandfather was jewish.
Hitler's father was the illegitimate son of a young housekeeper for an Austrian jew.
Upon annexing Austria to Germany, Hitler gave the land on which the church that recorded births, deaths, etc. for his fathers town to the German army to use as an artillery range (the church was obliterated). He also allegedly took other measures to hide his family history.
Now a researcher has taken dna samples from Hitlers 39 known relatives in Europe and the US and it turns out that they share a chromosone that is unusual in Germany and Austria but common among both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews as well as north African Berbers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl..._suggests.html

MadMan118 · #2 08-24-2010, 10:51 PM

Judaism as a culture is passed down from maternal bonds. For lack of a better sentence.

McHaven · #3 08-24-2010, 11:33 PM

It has long been thought that Hitler had Jewish lineage. Hitler's housekeeper has stated that Hitler used to call himself a "dirty jew" in the mirror. Hitler had great doubt about his lineage. He also made it illegal for any German woman of child-bearing age to work in a Jewish household quite early in his reign. This has been seen as directly linked to his grandmother, who worked as a domestic servant in a Jewish family.

Hitler's mother (to whom he was very attached) died receiving treatment for an illness by a Jewish doctor. He began to refer to "poisoning the poisoners" and cleansing the motherland after this.

This doubt of his family lineage, as well as the loss of his mother, and the anti-Semitic population of Vienna (where he lived in early years) all enabled Hitler to became a raging anti-Semite.

I believe Hitler fully believed he had Jewish ancestry. Even if culturally Judaism is passed through the maternal line, it was enough to bother an anti-Semite like Hitler.

StyleOverShow · #4 08-24-2010, 11:44 PM

I'm reading Mailer's "Castle in the Forest", a beautifully written piece of crap about Hitler's background. I know that he couldn't pass his own 'test of grand parentage' but all else is speculative. Why are we still talking about this obvious a-hole?

Its summer reading time...novels.

bassteban · #5 08-24-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StyleOverShow

Why are we still talking about this obvious a-hole?

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
I for one would NOT want to repeat the portion of past we are referring to...

T-Bird · #6 08-25-2010, 12:07 AM

Hi.

You're kidding, right?

I can't even remember how long this has been "known", and taught over here in Europe.

Regards
Sam

Asa Samuel · #7 08-25-2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bird

Hi.

You're kidding, right?

I can't even remember how long this has been "known", and taught over here in Europe.

Regards
Sam

Yep! Known, talked about, accepted!

Deluge Of Sound · #8 08-25-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by StyleOverShow

I'm reading Mailer's "Castle in the Forest", a beautifully written piece of crap about Hitler's background. I know that he couldn't pass his own 'test of grand parentage' but all else is speculative. Why are we still talking about this obvious a-hole?

Its summer reading time...novels.

Castle in the forest is a great book, I read it shortly before Mailer died, but after I'd heard this whole "hitler had jewish genes" thing.

Surly · #9 08-25-2010, 05:09 AM

Piece of history that always makes me think.

Muusers · #10 08-25-2010, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bird

Hi.

You're kidding, right?

I can't even remember how long this has been "known", and taught over here in Europe.

Regards
Sam

Exactly, reaaaally old news.

L-A · #11 08-25-2010, 06:12 AM

Posting on an Internet forum about discovering Hitler's lineage is a bit of an anachronism.

Woodchuck · #12 08-25-2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bird

Hi.

You're kidding, right?

I can't even remember how long this has been "known", and taught over here in Europe.

Regards
Sam

I'm in the USA, and we learned this in elementary school in the 70's. Must be a generational thing.

vene-nemesis · #13 08-25-2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by L-A

Posting on an Internet forum about discovering Hitler's lineage is a bit of an anachronism.

Yeah guys next time mail yourselves using your enigma machines to cypher your messages....

L-A · #14 08-25-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis

Yeah guys next time mail yourselves using your enigma machines to cypher your messages....

na pw po ld pn ec nu tu ic vk ga bv

Keyword is the obvious.

SMILEYSIXX · #15 08-25-2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah, I heard this a while back in school. It's not some new conspiracy theory, it's pretty much accepted as historical fact at this point.

The back story of Hitler, the Nazi movement, and the secrecy and sense of the unknown surrounding the holocaust is always interesting. I fully believe that even 70 years later, we don't know everything about Hitler's Germany. It's something we may never understand and there will most likely always be speculation about it.

Atomisk · #16 08-25-2010, 07:28 PM

I always wondered how much of an impact this event has been in europe socially. I mean like sure i learned craploads in every history class here in the USA and u cant watch the history channel for 15 minutes without learning something new about hitler, but if someone told me this happened 20 miles away and i knew people who were alive or had a family member alive during this very eery feeling time, i really don't know how i would take that. Is a lot of it pretty much accepted? Like forgive and forget type of thing? for those of you from europe?

Bigjohn · #17 08-25-2010, 08:12 PM

No, not kidding.
It wasn't known anywhere.
It was speculated - and lots of bs is speculated.
However, if true, this is news.
Someone has tracked down his relatives and done dna tests - recently.
Before, it was speculation.
But if this report is true, now it has some scientific basis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Bird

Hi.

You're kidding, right?

I can't even remember how long this has been "known", and taught over here in Europe.

Regards
Sam

MIJ-VI · #18 08-25-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis

Yeah guys next time mail yourselves using your enigma machines to cypher your messages....

Das Neu (Order) MachtBook

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Mike M. · #19 08-25-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

I always wondered how much of an impact this event has been in europe socially. I mean like sure i learned craploads in every history class here in the USA and u cant watch the history channel for 15 minutes without learning something new about hitler, but if someone told me this happened 20 miles away and i knew people who were alive or had a family member alive during this very eery feeling time, i really don't know how i would take that. Is a lot of it pretty much accepted? Like forgive and forget type of thing? for those of you from europe?

There was a program on the History channel a while back about Hitlers relatives. I was most surprised to find out how many relatives of his that are alive today.

The one bit that I found to be very sad was when talking about two or three brothers (somehow relater to Hitler) who are living somewhere in the eastern US. They are so saddened and ashamed of thier family "history" that they vowed to never marry because they want the blood line to die with them.

hrodbert696 · #20 08-26-2010, 11:08 AM

1) That Hitler may have had some Jewish ancestry is a bit of speculation that is plausible but unprovable. Nobody knows anything. The recent DNA tests increased the plausibility, but don't really prove all that much. The gene presumably could have gotten into his descent line ten generations back or something.

2) Whether its true or not, it doesn't really make a difference to anything. WWII still happened the way it did, and this doesn't make any significant difference to our understanding of it. At most it tells us that Hitler's anti-semitism may have been colored by a gnawing anxiety that he was one of them (if the artillery range story is true).

3) As MadMan118 pointed out, from a Jewish perspective this doesn't make Hitler Jewish himself, since Jewish identity is matrilineal. On the other hand, the Nazis had their own definition of Jewishness -- to them having any Jews among your grandparents, even just one of the four, tainted you as a Jew. There were people packed off to concentration camps who were quite surprised to find out they were Jewish.

(This, by the way, is one of the running myths about Nazi anti-semitism; that they hated the Jews because they were so different from other Germans. In fact, most German Jews were quite well-integrated into German culture and society and many thought of their Jewishness as a secondary factor in their identity, rather like, say, an Italian- or Irish-American today. They were the more vulnerable to the concentration camps precisely because they were so surprised that their society would suddenly treat them as outsiders, and didn't take measures to escape or protect themselves until too late).