Hmmm, well..that was unpleasent

Tama · #1 08-20-2009, 03:50 PM

So my Son & I are on our way to work. I turn the corner that leads down a road that ends in a culdesac where my company is at.

As I get close, I notice our Company Manager and our driver kinda mulling around in the street next to a truck. The truck has a big hose on the side, so I figure we bought a vacuum truck.

I get right up on it and right away I know whats up.

The hose is running from the exhaust to the cab !!!!

So I get out & tell them to see if we can help, but it was too late. I didnt want to mess up the crime scene, but I was hoping I could revive the man.
I reached in and he was cold.

So we called the Sheriff and they took over and notified the family.

Not a good way to start your day. Felt bad about it because he left a wife & 10 Grandkids.

Dave

CrispyDelicious · #2 08-20-2009, 03:56 PM

You knew/worked with him? EIther way, unpleasant is an understatement.

Tama · #3 08-20-2009, 03:58 PM

No, didn't know the man. However I did feel bad for his family.
Must have bothered me....played over in my mind several times.

popinfresh · #4 08-20-2009, 04:00 PM

Damn, that's definitely something you wouldn't want to see, and a sad story.

A car flipped on the intersection I live on the other day, seeing the driver and not being able to help was a terrible feeling. Never found out what happened though as para's and police blocked everything off as they pulled them out.

katibass · #5 08-20-2009, 04:10 PM

oh wow..... of all the ways to kill someone.....

kinda disturbing.....

NJL · #6 08-20-2009, 05:09 PM

how horrible

Sartori · #7 08-20-2009, 05:13 PM

Unpleasant is, as someone else noted, an understatement.

Worst thing I've seen like that was on a road trip when I was a kid. There was slight traffic, but we came up on a mini-van that was completely engulfed in flames. There were people in it, too. It was a terrible thing to see.

curandero · #8 08-20-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by katibass

oh wow..... of all the ways to kill someone.....

kinda disturbing.....

sounds like it was self inflicted. pretty painless way to go. i have an uncle that did the same thing many years ago.

Tama · #9 08-20-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NJL

how horrible

Yes it is.
Partly the reason I posted this is because I know the man was suffering from depression and he was raised in a time when "men didn't get help...that's for sissies"
Truth is, depression is misunderstood and stigmas attached.

If someone has depression, get help from your Doctor.
Modern NSRI & SSRI's can often be a helpful tool to recovery.
Depression can be situational or chemical or both. It can strike anyone at any time. Unlike the "victim mentality" of some so called "diseases", depression is often not the sufferers fault.
Doctors can help you if you need it.

The horrible "waste" part of this is the man not getting the help that may have saved his family the associated devastation. Because with help, it likely would have not happened.

Don't wanna sound like some kinda boy scout, just hoping it helps someone.
Dave

becker4567 · #10 08-20-2009, 05:28 PM

Been there...done that. You tried to help and that's what counts! I know this is easy to say, but don't let it bother you too much, his mind was set on doing what he did. As the Japanese say....Karma.

twdavis13 · #11 08-20-2009, 06:01 PM

my neighbor was telling me that he used to be in the police force and one day, a guy rolled over his car on a highway, and he got stuck IN THE CAR, and they couldn't get him out, and the jaws of life wasn't available. So, the car caught on fire WITH THE GUY INSIDE!!! THe guy told my neighbor to shoot him so he wouldn't have to suffer such a painful death and my neighbor refused to do it. And my neighbor promised to stay there with the guy while he died. He said he has never seen, or heard something as horrible as a person screaming in pain because they're on fire, and begging for death. He said that the fumes didn't kill the guy, because the guy was hanging outside the car window, but the roof had been crushed on top of his lower body, so he was STUCK. Anyway, my neighbor's wife said that after that day, he was never the same person.

SAD....DISTURBING

**embellisher** · #12 08-20-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Unpleasant is, as someone else noted, an understatement.

Worst thing I've seen like that was on a road trip when I was a kid. There was slight traffic, but we came up on a mini-van that was completely engulfed in flames. There were people in it, too. It was a terrible thing to see.

Saw something similar when I was a kid. A station wagon full of people, at the side of the road, on fire.

popinfresh · #13 08-20-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tama

Yes it is.
Partly the reason I posted this is because I know the man was suffering from depression and he was raised in a time when "men didn't get help...that's for sissies"
Truth is, depression is misunderstood and stigmas attached.

If someone has depression, get help from your Doctor.
Modern NSRI & SSRI's can often be a helpful tool to recovery.
Depression can be situational or chemical or both. It can strike anyone at any time. Unlike the "victim mentality" of some so called "diseases", depression is often not the sufferers fault.
Doctors can help you if you need it.

The horrible "waste" part of this is the man not getting the help that may have saved his family the associated devastation. Because with help, it likely would have not happened.

Don't wanna sound like some kinda boy scout, just hoping it helps someone.
Dave

Very true. Just after I left my old job in Aus I heard that one of the workers and a good friend there committed suicide because of depression. He was late 40's, always kind and generous to everyone there. Left two kids (who went to my school but a couple years below) and his wife behind.
The thing that irked me most is that the company we worked for didn't tell anyone about the death or funeral, so a lot of good friends there who had recently been laid off didn't find out about it until after the funeral had passed.
It's something serious that many people brush off lightly, especially because of the 'manly man' attitude.

Sartori · #14 08-20-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by twdavis13

my neighbor was telling me that he used to be in the police force and one day, a guy rolled over his car on a highway, and he got stuck IN THE CAR, and they couldn't get him out, and the jaws of life wasn't available. So, the car caught on fire WITH THE GUY INSIDE!!! THe guy told my neighbor to shoot him so he wouldn't have to suffer such a painful death and my neighbor refused to do it. And my neighbor promised to stay there with the guy while he died. He said he has never seen, or heard something as horrible as a person screaming in pain because they're on fire, and begging for death. He said that the fumes didn't kill the guy, because the guy was hanging outside the car window, but the roof had been crushed on top of his lower body, so he was STUCK. Anyway, my neighbor's wife said that after that day, he was never the same person.

SAD....DISTURBING

Why didn't he shoot him? I would have wanted the dude with the gun to put me out of my agony, too, were I burning to death with no hope of survival.

Tama · #15 08-20-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Why didn't he shoot him? I would have wanted the dude with the gun to put me out of my agony, too, were I burning to death with no hope of survival.

I would have too.
Chances are it is illegal for the Police Officer to do so.
He could be prosecuted for manslaughter.

That is possibly the most horrible thing for a person to see happen to another. It takes a long time while the person burns.

Couldn't say because I was not in the situation...but if I know myself as good as I think, I would have put him out of his misery regardless of the consequences.

To stand there and not be able to help would kill me.
Sad story.
Dave

Sartori · #16 08-20-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tama

I would have too.
Chances are it is illegal for the Police Officer to do so.
He could be prosecuted for manslaughter.

That is possibly the most horrible thing for a person to see happen to another. It takes a long time while the person burns.

Couldn't say because I was not in the situation...but if I know myself as good as I think, I would have put him out of his misery regardless of the consequences.

To stand there and not be able to help would kill me.
Sad story.
Dave

I guess he probably could have. It would be outrageous if the court actually convicted in such a circumstance, though.

Tama · #17 08-20-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sartori

I guess he probably could have. It would be outrageous if the court actually convicted in such a circumstance, though.

You'd never get me to convict him of anything. Just a sad deal all the way around.

katibass · #18 08-20-2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tama

Yes it is.
Partly the reason I posted this is because I know the man was suffering from depression and he was raised in a time when "men didn't get help...that's for sissies"
Truth is, depression is misunderstood and stigmas attached.

If someone has depression, get help from your Doctor.
Modern NSRI & SSRI's can often be a helpful tool to recovery.
Depression can be situational or chemical or both. It can strike anyone at any time. Unlike the "victim mentality" of some so called "diseases", depression is often not the sufferers fault.
Doctors can help you if you need it.

The horrible "waste" part of this is the man not getting the help that may have saved his family the associated devastation. Because with help, it likely would have not happened.

Don't wanna sound like some kinda boy scout, just hoping it helps someone.
Dave

i totally agree! the whole thing probably couldve been prevented, and yes seeing someone does help!

for me depression is more a chemical thing, heredity and all that, but it was triggered by situational stressors. i started seeing a therapist, and got on meds, and it's gone for the most part. it comes back on occasion, a sad/crying spell that lasts an hour or two over something that shouldnt be that big a deal, but it's much more manageable.

that's not something i'd relish the sight of, any of that.

WookieeForLife · #19 08-20-2009, 08:38 PM

Wait I'm a little lost here. He hooked a hose from his muffler to the cab? Wouldnt the open window let the fumes out?

Tama · #20 08-20-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WookieeForLife

Wait I'm a little lost here. He hooked a hose from his muffler to the cab? Wouldnt the open window let the fumes out?

He securely taped the tailpipe to the hose and made a cardboard window thing with a hole in it for the hose. Taped up the cardboard to the half-open window and it sealed up. It wasn't, of course, air-tight, but was enough to fill the cab with lethal amounts of exhaust fumes.
Dave