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08-12-2010, 02:27 PM
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It seems we were very distinctive from the beginning when it came to tools.
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08-12-2010, 02:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Reynoldsburg Ohio | | | Can't believe the guy at the end of the articles says he must have the tools so as to not put in crocodiles as a suspect! Ahh, jeez. Gimme a break.
Good luck finding the tools that made the perpendicular marks of the bones. The greater probability is the stone used was already sharp from a natural break, rather than made by knapping at that stage in hominid development.
But the marks themselves are pretty positive looking. We have traced and learned cutting instrument marks for well over a century. But lets look for more stuff in that area. Very cool.
Of course, even chimps use stones for crushing sometimes, so I am not surprised a hominid could discover a cutting edge works dandy also.
Probably pounding with a stone as usual but the narrow edge hit... and Eureka...a discovery! All it takes is one "smarter-than-the-rest" individual to understand something for it to enter into a growing behavior pattern.
We'll see what the future holds as more discoveries are made.
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08-12-2010, 05:34 PM
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it's crazy to imagine what these ancestors were like. I imagine getting killed by them would be like getting butchered to death by a tribe of rabid lemurs.
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08-13-2010, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser neato!
it's crazy to imagine what these ancestors were like. I imagine getting killed by them would be like getting butchered to death by a tribe of rabid lemurs. | Most scientist think they were probably scavengers, not hunters.
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08-13-2010, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MJ5150 Yeah, OK. 3.4 milion years ago? Please.
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08-13-2010, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese Most scientist think they were probably scavengers, not hunters. | My (non scientific) guess would probably be that they were very opportunistic - scavenge what they can, hunt when they need to, and rely on plant material whenever and wherever it was found.
Interesting article. I love how the status quo keeps on being challenged. If we were to know everything about our development and evolution, life would get just a bit more boring.. 
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08-13-2010, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by IconBasser neato!
it's crazy to imagine what these ancestors were like. I imagine getting killed by them would be like getting butchered to death by a tribe of rabid lemurs. | 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese Most scientist think they were probably scavengers, not hunters. | yeah, i seriously doubt that any proto-humans were doing any hunting until the tool development was sufficiently advanced to allow for reasonably decent weapons.
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08-13-2010, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by john turner yeah, i seriously doubt that any proto-humans were doing any hunting until the tool development was sufficiently advanced to allow for reasonably decent weapons. | Define "hunting" though...? When I said that I think that they must have done at least some hunting, I wasn't referring to bringing down big game with weapons and such, but more so maybe coming to a lake or stream were fish were plentiful to snatch some by the banks, or to grab a rodent or two from under dead logs...etc etc.
Or maybe is that under the umbrella of scavenging..? I might just be misunderstanding the term in context.
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08-13-2010, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic Define "hunting" though...? When I said that I think that they must have done at least some hunting, I wasn't referring to bringing down big game with weapons and such, but more so maybe coming to a lake or stream were fish were plentiful to snatch some by the banks, or to grab a rodent or two from under dead logs...etc etc.
Or maybe is that under the umbrella of scavenging..? I might just be misunderstanding the term in context. | The scientists were using the term scavenging in reference to the bones they found which had belonged to large, fast animals that Australopithecus could not have caught with a rock or a stick.
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08-13-2010, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese The scientists were using the term scavenging in reference to the bones they found which had belonged to large, fast animals that Australopithecus could not have caught with a rock or a stick. | Yeah, I'm sure that they were scavenging the bigger game. I'm just saying that I don't think that they were 100% scavengers in regards to total diet. Not that it's a big deal but I'm thinking that maybe being opportunistic, they would grab a fish or rodent to add to their diets therefore they were hunting in a way.
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