Horrendous Story!

Dr. Cheese · #1 11-20-2009, 08:38 AM

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/dad-kill...contact-sister

This has got to be worst thing I have ever read about a family! As bad as the boy was, the father is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

SnoMan · #2 11-20-2009, 08:47 AM

Hmm...bad situation. I'd say it's debatable as to how pathetic of a human being the father was. I see this as being a plausible reaction from certain individuals.

I'm just gonna stick with bad situation...all around.

DaveDeVille · #3 11-20-2009, 09:08 AM

horrific is right ... and incredibly sad .

this poor kid , just a mixed-up sophmore in high school , certainly didn't deserve this end ...
no winners in this sad , sad story .

... R.I.P.

Dr. Cheese · #4 11-20-2009, 09:24 AM

One responder to the article in the link I posted wondered if the father didn't kill the boy to cover up his own abuse of that child. We will never know, but any kid with a father that would kill him in cold blood couldn't have been anything but conflicted and messed up. The only good thing about this is that the father will now be in prison and away from his 3 year old daughter.

SnoMan · #5 11-20-2009, 10:02 AM

It's easy to speculate on such a story.

Could make for a good crime novel...who knows?

MJ5150 · #6 11-20-2009, 10:32 AM

I'm afraid to read it, so I'll trust what you guys are saying and skip it.

-Mike

finalrequiem · #7 11-20-2009, 10:40 AM

I love my daughter and would kill for her (or my wife or my son) but the thought of executing your child in your front yard... Oh my God. It makes me sick just thinking about it. Catching a rape in the act and reacting in passion, maybe. What he did? No way...

Thinking about it makes me sick...

Steve · #8 11-20-2009, 10:44 AM

That is a horrible story.
Unfortunately, statistically speaking, that is just about the only was to cure a child molester. Tragic the the father had to be the one to take out the trash.

Electro-shock therapy used to be somewhat successful in deterring the behavior but it was found cruel and abandoned as a treatment. So, now there's nothing effective.

At least that's what my wife tells me. She counsels sexually abused children for a living.

Sorry. I just can't work up any tears for a child molester.
Assuming of course, the accusation is true.

Microbass · #9 11-20-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

That is a horrible story.
Unfortunately, statistically speaking, that is just about the only was to cure a child molester. Tragic the the father had to be the one to take out the trash.

Electro-shock therapy used to be somewhat successful in deterring the behavior but it was found cruel and abandoned as a treatment. So, now there's nothing effective.

At least that's what my wife tells me. She counsels sexually abused children for a living.

Sorry. I just can't work up any tears for a child molester.
Assuming of course, the accusation is true.

pretty horrific. i agree with the above however.
what i would add is that there are no complete cures per say, because the individuals probably don't want to be cured.

Dr. Cheese · #10 11-20-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

That is a horrible story.
Unfortunately, statistically speaking, that is just about the only was to cure a child molester. Tragic the the father had to be the one to take out the trash.

Electro-shock therapy used to be somewhat successful in deterring the behavior but it was found cruel and abandoned as a treatment. So, now there's nothing effective.

At least that's what my wife tells me. She counsels sexually abused children for a living.

Sorry. I just can't work up any tears for a child molester.
Assuming of course, the accusation is true.

The kid (15) had inappropriately touched his little sister, he had not raped her. He also told his mother he had done a bad thing. I believe the was a very good chance of a successful intervention. If everyone who ever did something questionable sexually were killed, it would probably be a whole lot easier to get a parking space at the grocery store.

arbitrary · #11 11-20-2009, 11:00 AM

There is actually some interesting work with sex offenders going on right now. I have a colleague who worked with that population through NEFA; some of it is promising.

hbarcat · #12 11-20-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

That is a horrible story.
Unfortunately, statistically speaking, that is just about the only was to cure a child molester. Tragic the the father had to be the one to take out the trash.

Keep in mind, the alleged child molester was 15 years old and the alleged victim was his baby sister. I would bet all the marbles that the offender was only copying behavior he experienced himself (probably within his family or extended family).

Minor children, such as this 15 year old, should not be judged the same as adults. The reaction from his father to BEAT HIM AND THEN MURDER HIM IN COLD BLOOD cannot be excused for any reason. I don't see how anyone can condone this or even just brush it off. It seems to me that if this kid had to grow up in such a family (with a dad that solves problems with out of control violence), then he had little chance of growing up to be a responsible adult, anyway.

I, for one, do feel sorry for the 15 year old alleged child molester.

hbarcat · #13 11-20-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

The kid (15) had inappropriately touched his little sister, he had not raped her. He also told his mother he had done a bad thing. I believe the was a very good chance of a successful intervention.

+1

Assuming these details are correct, it sounds as if the boy was pretty troubled by his own behavior and was seeking someone to guide him.

DudeistMonk · #14 11-20-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

That is a horrible story.
Unfortunately, statistically speaking, that is just about the only was to cure a child molester. Tragic the the father had to be the one to take out the trash.

Electro-shock therapy used to be somewhat successful in deterring the behavior but it was found cruel and abandoned as a treatment. So, now there's nothing effective.

At least that's what my wife tells me. She counsels sexually abused children for a living.

Sorry. I just can't work up any tears for a child molester.
Assuming of course, the accusation is true.

At 15? Come on how screwed up where you at 15? The kid needed counseling not a bullet.

Sex criminals are sick (literally mentally ill) but it's easier for society just to see them as evil instead of addressing the problem constructively.

blendermassacre · #15 11-20-2009, 11:31 AM

I'm sure the father was reacting in a manor that was the status quo for that household, judfing by the actions of the son. IMO, that is the saddest part of the whole story.

iamlowsound · #16 11-20-2009, 12:44 PM

If someone ever did something like that to a loved one of mine, they better be a long, long way off before I get there. If I caught the person in the act, well there is just no way to know how I would react. They would likely be taking an ambulance ride, hopefully not a hearse ride.

lowsound

Dr. Cheese · #17 11-20-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by iamlowsound

If someone ever did something like that to a loved one of mine, they better be a long, long way off before I get there. If I caught the person in the act, well there is just no way to know how I would react. They would likely be taking an ambulance ride, hopefully not a hearse ride.

lowsound

The point is that both kids were the man's children. It was not like a stranger touched his daughter. The man killed his own child. As a father myself, that sickens me.

iamlowsound · #18 11-20-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

The point is that both kids were the man's children. It was not like a stranger touched his daughter. The man killed his own child. As a father myself, that sickens me.

True and a valid point. I have no idea what I would do at that point.

lowsound

Steve · #19 11-20-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeistMonk

it's easier for society just to see them as evil instead of addressing the problem constructively.

How screwed up was I at 15???
PLENTY, but not that screwed up.

Admittedly, I am probably one of the last people on earth that can be impartial on the issue.

I see what it does to my wife and her co-workers, I know the children. I see how it effects them. I see how it destroys their lives and any hope of them ever being a happy, functional, well adjusted member of society. I see that it takes every resource society has just to keep those victims from committing suicide or frequently sexually abusing a child themselves out of displaced rage....

And I also get to see the current treatment modalities for those offenders, the way the courts deal with the issue and exactly how effective the entire system is in dealing with the offender side of the issue.

I'm not objective at all. That wasn't a couple of 8 year olds that got caught playing Dr.

It was, the face of pure evil at it's absolute worst...with probably a better than 90% chance of it happening again even with the best of treatment.

IMHO

I'm not sure what you think we as a society should do to more constructively address the issue but, you should think of something quick.

If you plug your address into the national sexual offender / predator database, I'll bet there are 50 of them within 5 miles of your house.

EricF · #20 11-20-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

I'm afraid to read it, so I'll trust what you guys are saying and skip it.

-Mike

I wish I had made that choice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

The point is that both kids were the man's children. It was not like a stranger touched his daughter. The man killed his own child. As a father myself, that sickens me.

Agreed. This story saddens me deeply and makes me nauseous. As disturbing as the actions of the boy were, what his own father did was horrific in the worst way.

I want to go hug my kids right now.