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[crispygoat]

The Kill Team | Rolling Stone Politics

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[rr5025]

Terrible.

[twbassman]

Situations like these are terrible. These immoral bastards are no better than the terrorists we are supposed to be fighting. Sorry for the bad word, but it's true.

[wabbit]

I'm glad they caught them. Hopefully they will be made an example of to try and deter others from attempting this/letting this happen again.

[FL Knifemaker]

Hmmmnnn............

The Rolling Stone. Interesting source for stories on our military. Believe half of what they say and discount the other.

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker

Interesting source for stories on our military. Believe half of what they say and discount the other.

It works the same for every media outlet, regardless of personal taste.

[Deluge Of Sound]

The 5th Stryker Brigade has been covered by other, more news-y sources. You might consider them more reputable, but somehow I doubt it.

[FL Knifemaker]

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

It works the same for every media outlet, regardless of personal taste.

Really?? OK. Do a search for articles that Rolling Stone has done on our military, then get back to me. They have a WEIRD agenda to say the least. Be careful though, the psyOPS people might be watching you

[Deluge Of Sound]

Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

The 5th Stryker Brigade has been covered by other, more news-y sources. You might consider them more reputable, but somehow I doubt it.

What he said.

[Munjibunga]

First, if things went down as represented, there is no punishment too severe for the perpetrators. Some senior officers' heads should roll as well. Those of you in my age group probably remember the My Lai massacre in Viet Nam. Lt. Calley and Captain Medina were the highest ranking officers that went down for that.

Now. Back in the good old days, wars were fought between combatants in uniforms that made them easily identifiable as friend or foe. As the U.S. found out in Viet Nam, guerilla warfare is a whole different animal. Your enemy may wave and smile at you from the fields during the day, and frag you at night. It isn't hard for me to see the psychological impact of not knowing who the enemy is. Innocent civilians and insidious sappers are indistiguishable by inspection.

Our soldiers, for the most part, are young men and women with little life experience outside of their military service. While I believe even combat-experienced fighters would have difficulty with the situation, it has to be incredibly difficult for young, inexperienced people to keep it together under that kind of pressure. Then inject a crime-prone loser as a platoon leader into the equation, and the line between sanity and insanity becomes even more fuzzy.

I am in no way justifying any of the actions alleged to have been committed by these men, rather, pointing out the horror of a person just out of high school having to face the uncertainties of guerilla warfare. These kids are barely ready to face the world on sanguine terms, and yet they now face life-and-death situations on a nearly daily basis.

Their leaders are as much or more to blame than they are. You can't just turn a bunch of young folks who would otherwise be getting drunk at frat parties loose with deadly weapons in a foreign land without close and strict supervision and leadership. It's crazy.

BTW, while I served in the Marines during the Viet Nam conflict, I had the good fortune not to go there.

[Deluge Of Sound]

From all accounts, Munji, these guys were setting up kill zones explicitly to kill civilians. Not sure how deeply you've delved into the issue.

Anyway, for anyone wanting a more reputable source, the Washington Post has been following this issue for quite some time:
Stryker unit sought to defend killing at heart of Afghan murder probe

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

From all accounts, Munji, these guys were setting up kill zones explicitly to kill civilians. Not sure how deeply you've delved into the issue.

Anyway, for anyone wanting a more reputable source, the Washington Post has been following this issue for quite some time:
Stryker unit sought to defend killing at heart of Afghan murder probe

I'm just pointing out how young, impressionable, inexperienced kids can get the line between right and wrong blurred in situations of high stress. I'm not questioning the information, and I'm not condoning the actions.

[Deluge Of Sound]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

I'm just pointing out how young, impressionable, inexperienced kids can get the line between right and wrong blurred in situations of high stress. I'm not questioning the information, and I'm not condoning the actions.

No question there, and no increment of doubt in my head about your intent.

[Jim Campbell]

to be fair captain medina was later exonerated.....while he may have lost control over some of his troops in the field,it is apparent that he took no part in the massacre.....

[Big_Daddy]

Disgusting.

[line6man]

Holy ****! They really aren't kidding about the graphic nature of those images.

[jp58]

Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker

Hmmmnnn............

The Rolling Stone. Interesting source for stories on our military. Believe half of what they say and discount the other.

This one is true though.

Such a shame. I was furious when I heard about a similar incident before. I'm pretty steamed now.

[MIJ-VI]

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[afinalfantasy]

Pretty disgusting stuff. Rolling Stone seems pretty biased against the military though. Bunch of morons they are over at that publication.

[TheVoiceless]

Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker

Hmmmnnn............

The Rolling Stone. Interesting source for stories on our military. Believe half of what they say and discount the other.

Why are they discredited?