If Lance Armstrong has passed every drug test how can they find him guilty of doping? - Page 25

spade2you · #**481** 01-12-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

On a related note, how were those times compared to "tainted" years? As good? Better?

Or were the "clean" riders slower, as would be expected?

Hard to say. To my knowledge, the TdF seldom follows the same route. Even the famed mountain stages might take a different road or two to get there and might have a different start town. Even then, you're subject to weather, which is why LeMond still has the fastest in the 1989 TdF to a strong tailwind.

Hard to say if many years weren't tainted. Riods were used a lot prior to EPO. Amphetamines were used a lot before roids. Simply put, EPO yielded the best results. There was a spike in speeds during the 1980's due to the TdF using shorter stages and not doing 2 stages a day any more. The Indurain era started to demonstrate a faster overall speed and it increased during the Armstrong era and beyond. The average speed was indeed increased when you had multiple teams on EPO.

spade2you · #**482** 01-12-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DerHoggz

I saw a graph of times up a certain Tour climb that was made after this year's, the time has increased from what it was. Not sure where I saw it though.

Sky probably couldn't have done that in the Armstrong era's peloton.

Hard to say. Team Sky's domestiques basically never had a day off and never faltered. The same can't be said about US Postal. Lance had plenty of times where his team mates were unable to support him or pull back every breakaway.

Lazylion · #**483** 01-12-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by fokof

Lance @ Oprah
Bet a lot of people are gonna suscribe to her channel just to see that !

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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

Tune in next week when we crucify Lance Armstrong.

Sounds like he's going to do it to himself. I heard on the news this morning that he will confess to doping during this show. After all those denials... wow.

They said it was a business decision for him.

i_got_a_mohawk · #**484** 01-12-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fdeck

I still think that team sports are OK for younger kids. Youth soccer is huge in the US. It's probably no more dangerous than just being a kid and playing outdoors. It is heavily supervised by parents.

My concern is more about sports at the high school level, where kids might be pressured into taking risks with their health, such as doping, deliberate weight gain, and concussions.

Couldn't really comment on that, High School and College sports seem to be big business and taken in a much more serious manner in the US. It's a difference in supporter pressure.

DerHoggz · #**485** 01-12-2013, 10:47 AM

I agree with Millar regarding Lance possibly "confessing" with Oprah. I see it as trying to just placate the general public. I would much rather see him interviewed by someone who actually knows about the intricacies of the situation. I would love to see David Walsh do it. There is more to it then just Lance's doping, someone needs to ask about various organizations' involvement. Lance made this all about himself, when that wasn't USADA's intention IMO. Reading this, there are still many players involved with pro cycling that should probably be looked into.

These two links sum up what I expect and what I hope for.

Place your bets!

fokof · #**486** 01-12-2013, 12:11 PM

I wonder what the OP thinks about that subject now ?

iamlowsound · #**487** 01-12-2013, 01:26 PM

If everyone was on drugs, he was still the best one in a level playing field.

lowsound

spade2you · #**488** 01-12-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iamlowsound

If everyone was on drugs, he was still the best one in a level playing field.

lowsound

This is where the Lance Armstrong haters would call you a fanboy and say how mean he was.

I'm actually fairly neutral on this, other than I thought it was a bit much that they took all his titles away, given that MANY dopers were allowed to keep their titles. Anyway, entirely too many people doped. Some paid the price. Some didn't. It would have been much better if he were caught early on. After Lance, we've almost forgotten about the Landis snafu.

DeathFromBelow · #**489** 01-12-2013, 05:32 PM

Cheaters gonna cheat.

paradog · #**490** 01-12-2013, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathFromBelow

Cheaters gonna cheat.

Haters gonna hate.

fdeck · #**491** 01-12-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iamlowsound

If everyone was on drugs, he was still the best one in a level playing field.

lowsound

We don't know if it was a level playing field, i.e., that all of the riders had the same access to the same kinds of dope, or thought that they could get away with it to the same extent.

spade2you · #**492** 01-13-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fdeck

We don't know if it was a level playing field, i.e., that all of the riders had the same access to the same kinds of dope, or thought that they could get away with it to the same extent.

Virtually all of those riders were seeing the same doctors and/or had been busted for blood values, positive EPO tests, or being caught red handed with EPO.

i_got_a_mohawk · #**493** 01-15-2013, 07:36 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21024288

Well, he did come out and admit it on Oprah.

SoonerMatt · #**494** 01-15-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21024288

Well, he did come out and admit it on Oprah.

Beat me to it. I'm guessing he figures he has nothing to lose since all his titles have been stripped.

EDIT

After reading the (very thorough) WSJ article it seems he's doing it to try and play the pity card and get reinstated into the racing circuit. Hubris, thy name is Lance.

Jim Nazium · #**495** 01-15-2013, 07:50 AM

Dang, I'm going to have to change my password. LANCE7TDF just doesn't seem appropriate any more.

spade2you · #**496** 01-15-2013, 09:16 AM

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Beat me to it. I'm guessing he figures he has nothing to lose since all his titles have been stripped.

but what did he really have to gain? If that were me, I would have lost all incentive to right any wrongs after that point.

hover · #**497** 01-15-2013, 09:36 AM

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but what did he really have to gain? If that were me, I would have lost all incentive to right any wrongs after that point.

From what I understand, he's "desperate" to compete again, and to do so, has to do work to mend his image in an attempt to sway his ban...in doing so, he's also potentially facing repayment on some of his endorsements, and other fines (don't quote me, just what I overheard on the news this morning)....

Seems an awful lot to face to compete again...all that, AND he's getting older... so one would think that too would affect his competitive ability? Seems a buttload of risk and personal financial loss just so he can race again...

I for one don't think his personal image can be repaired. Not hatin, just in light of all his cancer struggle and his comments about doping in light of that...all this new stuff smacks his credibility right in the nut.

spade2you · #**498** 01-15-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hover

From what I understand, he's "desperate" to compete again, and to do so, has to do work to mend his image in an attempt to sway his ban...in doing so, he's also potentially facing repayment on some of his endorsements, and other fines (don't quote me, just what I overheard on the news this morning)....

Seems an awful lot to face to compete again...all that, AND he's getting older... so one would think that too would affect his competitive ability? Seems a buttload of risk and personal financial loss just so he can race again...

I for one don't think his personal image can be repaired. Not hatin, just in light of all his cancer struggle and his comments about doping in light of that...all this new stuff smacks his credibility right in the nut.

I like racing, but not enough to lose all my money. He's not exactly winning all of the races he's entering, either. Doesn't make much sense to me.

lfmn16 · #**499** 01-15-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerMatt

Beat me to it. I'm guessing he figures he has nothing to lose since all his titles have been stripped.

EDIT

After reading the (very thorough) WSJ article it seems he's doing it to try and play the pity card and get reinstated into the racing circuit. Hubris, thy name is Lance.

I can't believe I defended that scumbag all these years.

I hope he loses everything.

spade2you · #**500** 01-15-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lfmn16

I hope he loses everything.

Why? What do you or the world gain from him losing everything?

Don't get me wrong, I'd feel bad if he were the only one doping, but that's just not the case. Is Pantani still not great? Despite being busted for blood values, he always denied doping until his death. Rather than being a bully like Lance, he simply kept himself busy with nose candy.