If Lance Armstrong has passed every drug test how can they find him guilty of doping?

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by iamlowsound

If everyone was on drugs, he was still the best one in a level playing field.

lowsound

I agree. Even no-name amateurs, who are fanatical about racing take drugs. A few lifeguarding buddies of mine who race at an amateur level tell me about it. Ridiculous. But if that's the sport, then that's the sport, imo.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by spade2you

but what did he really have to gain? If that were me, I would have lost all incentive to right any wrongs after that point.

From the article on the BBC, he also seems quite intent on bringing down some big, non-racers that are involved.

[SoonerMatt]

I like one of the most popular WSJ comments:

"Go away, Lance."

He's just digging himself deeper and deeper with this stunt. It's over, he's lost, time to retire.

[DiabolusInMusic]

Well I hope OP got the answer we all knew months ago.

[spade2you]

Hopefully anyone who is upset at Lance doesn't watch any baseball, football, soccer, or horse racing.

[john turner]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Why? What do you or the world gain from him losing everything?

karma. too many stories of folks being totally screwed by him for telling the truth while he wanted to keep his cheating secret.

i used to buy the armstrong koolaid, but as more and more different folks are singing the same song it's becoming blatantly obvious that the dude's unredeemable.

he didn't beat the cancer, the cancer won.

[macaroni tony]

Originally Posted by john turner

he didn't beat the cancer, the cancer won.

Are you saying that Armstrong is the cancer?

Not taking any sort of sides here, just curious

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by john turner

karma. too many stories of folks being totally screwed by him for telling the truth while he wanted to keep his cheating secret.

i used to buy the armstrong koolaid, but as more and more different folks are singing the same song it's becoming blatantly obvious that the dude's unredeemable.

he didn't beat the cancer, the cancer won.

Too many stories? LeMond, Kimmage, Walsh, and a few others are about the only people he wronged. The rest were blackmailed. He couldn't blackmail them if they had clean hands. Frankie Andreu wasn't complaining about Lance doping while he was still on the payroll and neither was his wife. The same can be said about a lot of riders. They all claim to have been forced, but the same things were going on in virtually all professional teams during that era.

Unless he personally wronged you, I'd say you're taking things a little personally. As a racer, I'm quite annoyed how personal people take the sport. Think Jens Voight and Tommy Voekler were clean?

[ToneMonkey]

No one has suggested retroactively cleaning up the 70s and 80s, when a few riders died on the course from amphetamine use.

I've always felt that the primary motivation was bruised European egos. If LA had been anything other than an American, yeah the sport would be trying to clean up its act, but they wouldn't give a rip about those 7 titles.

[john turner]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Too many stories? LeMond, Kimmage, Walsh, and a few others are about the only people he wronged. The rest were blackmailed. He couldn't blackmail them if they had clean hands. Frankie Andreu wasn't complaining about Lance doping while he was still on the payroll and neither was his wife. The same can be said about a lot of riders. They all claim to have been forced, but the same things were going on in virtually all professional teams during that era.

Unless he personally wronged you, I'd say you're taking things a little personally. As a racer, I'm quite annoyed how personal people take the sport. Think Jens Voight and Tommy Voekler were clean?

for me this has nothing to do with the sport. the dude's a bum - anyone who would use their wealth and means to obliterate the professional capabilities of someone - anyone - for telling the truth is scum.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by john turner

for me this has nothing to do with the sport. the dude's a bum - anyone who would use their wealth and means to obliterate the professional capabilities of someone - anyone - for telling the truth is scum.

They were after his income and fame. Up until recently, it worked. I do feel bad for a few people, but the rest were just as guilty of doping as he was.

Edit: Keep in mind the Andeus, Landis, and Tyler Hamilton, didn't develop a conscious until after being popped and suspended themselves. Big George Hincapie, Michael Barry, Jonathan Vaughters, and Bobby Julich didn't come clean until retirement. The rest of the ex US Postal riders only came clean under the plea of serving a 6 month suspension that mostly covered the off season.

Meanwhile Team Sky lays down TdF dominance stronger than US Postal and reminiscent of T-Mobile '96, both of which were doing the obvious. Not a single big name rider tested positive for blood doping products. Do I need to go on? (No, riders still aren't clean.)

[tastybasslines]

I'm really glad Lance finally had the ball to come clean.

[seventhson]

Originally Posted by spade2you

They were after his income and fame. Up until recently, it worked. I do feel bad for a few people, but the rest were just as guilty of doping as he was.

How does that actually work? The siphoning of income and fame from someone to yourself?

[Benjamin Strange]

I heard he confessed to using drugs to beat cancer, too. What a douche.

[DerHoggz]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Think Jens Voight and Tommy Voekler were clean?

Yes.

Originally Posted by ToneMonkey

I've always felt that the primary motivation was bruised European egos. If LA had been anything other than an American, yeah the sport would be trying to clean up its act, but they wouldn't give a rip about those 7 titles.

Probably why it was the UNITED STATES Anti-Doping Agency that called it.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by DerHoggz

Yes.

Voight was from East Germany (same as Jan). Perhaps check and see what happened with the East Germans in the Olympics. He also spent a lot of time riding for Riis and eventually Brunyeel. He also beat a few known dopers in the shorter stage races.

Tommy V....doubtful.

Clean riders from the era were few and far between. I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Especially since it's still going on.

[john turner]

Originally Posted by spade2you

They were after his income and fame.

seriously? you're going to actually use the same b.s. that his lawyers used to ruin folks making 30-40k a year who worked for lance, then told the truth, and then got raped by him?

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by john turner

seriously? you're going to actually use the same b.s. that his lawyers used to ruin folks making 30-40k a year who worked for lance, then told the truth, and then got raped by him?

He screwed a few people. The rest weren't innocent. Julich recently mentioned he wanted to snitch on Armstrong in '99. Take a wild guess why he couldn't and didn't.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Meanwhile Team Sky lays down TdF dominance stronger than US Postal and reminiscent of T-Mobile '96, both of which were doing the obvious. Not a single big name rider tested positive for blood doping products. Do I need to go on? (No, riders still aren't clean.)

That's because Team Sky has a secret weapon. 70's-esque sideburns.

[Frank Tuesday]

Originally Posted by john turner

he didn't beat the cancer, the cancer won.

I had a friend who raced against him growing up in Texas. From the stories he tells, Lance was always a sociopath. The only thing that cancer did was make him marketable.