If Lance Armstrong has passed every drug test how can they find him guilty of doping?

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

That's because Team Sky has a secret weapon. 70's-esque sideburns.

And rounder wheels.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

That's because Team Sky has a secret weapon. 70's-esque sideburns.

The funny thing is that very few people are questioning events like this and the lack of positive tests over the last couple years.

[nortonrider]

The Guy rides a friggin' bicycle - who cares!

Same with the dude who hits a ball with a stick
or kicks a ball through a couple of poles.
It's only a game.
I really don't see an issue with PED's.
never did.

Our Government is giving our Soliders Stimulants (Adderall, Ritilan)
- basically amphetamines - to increase their ability to kill people.
They are in essence "cheating" at their game of War.... ain't they?

I don't have a problem with Lance or what he did, I say leave the guy alone.
Unfortunately, in todays society, people feel better about themselves when they
are able to point out someone else's faults or mistakes.

[yodedude2]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

The Guy rides a friggin' bicycle - who cares!

Same with the dude who hits a ball with a stick
or kicks a ball through a couple of poles.
It's only a game.
I really don't see an issue with PED's.
never did. <snip>

the issue, as usual, is money.

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by yodedude2

the issue, as usual, is money.

As usual.

[spade2you]

Perhaps cycling should hand out more 3 week suspensions like baseball?

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

The Guy rides a friggin' bicycle - who cares!

Same with the dude who hits a ball with a stick
or kicks a ball through a couple of poles.
It's only a game.
I really don't see an issue with PED's.
never did.

Our Government is giving our Soliders Stimulants (Adderall, Ritilan)
- basically amphetamines - to increase their ability to kill people.
They are in essence "cheating" at their game of War.... ain't they?

I don't have a problem with Lance or what he did, I say leave the guy alone.
Unfortunately, in todays society, people feel better about themselves when they
are able to point out someone else's faults or mistakes.

Could be because there are people who take in part in those sports but do not want to take drugs nor want that to be a part of the sport they take part in.

Considering sports don't tend to be life-or-death, I don't see the analogy with soldiers being entirely releveant.

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by spade2you

Perhaps cycling should hand out more 3 week suspensions like baseball?

didn't Tom Danielson, Christian Vande Velde, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer and David Zabriskie all receive only 6 month suspensions (during the wintertime) in exchange for their testimony against Lance?

3 weeks - 6 months, what's the difference?
It's all about the $$$$. Let the lawyers litigate.

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

Considering sports don't tend to be life-or-death, I don't see the analogy with soldiers being entirely releveant.

Ultimately...... isn't the goal to "win"?
I say anything that helps to achieve that goal is fair game.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

didn't Tom Danielson, Christian Vande Velde, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer and David Zabriskie all receive only 6 month suspensions (during the wintertime) in exchange for their testimony against Lance?

3 weeks - 6 months, what's the difference?
It's all about the $$$$. Let the lawyers litigate.

Yes, and Hamilton got awfully truthful during his 8 year suspension. Actually, most cyclists serve 1-2 years. Baseball only seems to dish out 3 week suspensions.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

Ultimately...... isn't the goal to "win"?
I say anything that helps to achieve that goal is fair game.

The aim is to win within the ruleset of the game. You can't start playing a Pawn like a Queen just because you want to win .

[bolophonic]

I could be wrong, but I feel like the folks in this thread who are taking the "what's the big deal?" approach to defending Lance Armstrong are the same posters who like to polish their halos with a moralistic stance whenever there is a thread about stealing, or any other act of questionable ethics or moral failings. Seems weird to me.

[TOOL460002]

One thing I'm interested in is whether or not previous endorsers will sue for their money back. I'm fairly certain they would have a chance at recouping money they gave him already. (Issue came up in a class I am taking.)

[bmc]

I'm impressed he had the ball to come clean.

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

Ultimately...... isn't the goal to "win"?
I say anything that helps to achieve that goal is fair game.

No, by definition all competitive sports have rules. When you break those rules it's called cheating and cheating is most certainly not "fair game".

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by jeffbonny

When you break those rules it's called cheating and cheating is most certainly not "fair game".

What about when greater than 90% are cheating?

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by spade2you

What about when greater than 90% are cheating?

Yeah, that's been a problem in cycling since before I started racing in the 70's and part of me doesn't hold it against guys for doing what they have to do to stay in the game. But you're not really trying to sell the argument that because 90% are doing it it's right are you? It's still cheating and lessens the achievement.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by jeffbonny

Yeah, that's been a problem in cycling since before I started racing in the 70's and part of me doesn't hold it against guys for doing what they have to do to stay in the game. But you're not really trying to sell the argument that because 90% are doing it it's right are you? It's still cheating and lessens the achievement.

I'm not saying it's right at all, just the way it was and sadly still is. I just hope when I race, it's against a clean field.

Some sad irony is that during one of the 60 Minutes stories this fall, there were testosterone commercials. We bash abuse but condone use. Man, the world if eff'd.

[jeffbonny]

Originally Posted by spade2you

I'm not saying it's right at all, just the way it was and sadly still is. I just hope when I race, it's against a clean field.

Some sad irony is that during one of the 60 Minutes stories this fall, there were testosterone commercials. We bash abuse but condone use. Man, the world if eff'd.

Very much agreed on all points.

[fokof]

Originally Posted by bmc

I'm impressed he had the ball to come clean.

I like your use of singular in that sentence