Irreversible climate damage is imminent

[Tupac]

Uh oh. if this is true, there's really no hope left at this point. But, things will continue business as useful of course. Sad really. Even if, by an odd change of heart, American businesses do start to care, Russia and China will still run the Earth into well... the ground.

[Time Monkey]

Obvious solution is to slaughter about 5 billion people, and spay/neuter 2 billion more.

[Ekim]

And an imminent ice age was the hysteria in the 70s.

Enviro hysteria is nothing new, interesting or useful.

[nutdog]

[Time Monkey]

its all perception.

Most people work inside climate controlled buildings all day, so anything over 82 is hell.

I work outdoors, under cars, and it can be 110 degrees down there.


So when i get home and its 89 in the house, it feels kinda chilly. My roommates in their bubbles all day think its sweltering.

[Kwesi]

The only thing that's up for debate is the human contribution to global climate change, not climate change itself.

[Sav'nBass]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

The only thing that's up for debate is the human contribution to global climate change, not climate change itself.

I don't even think that that is up for debate.. Considering what we have done to the environment over the last 200 years .. between greenhouse gasses and deforestation.. I mean.. anything can be debated.. You can debate whether or not life begins at conception or whether or not we are alone in the universe too.. but the facts are pretty obvious.. at least to me..but hey..

[Internet Police]

More greenhouse gases are released by the oceans alone than by humans. The climate has changed even before humans became industrialized. Climate change isn't caused by us and our attempts at reversing it is only proof of the fact that we want to play god. Let the world fix itself. The earth knows what's best better than we do. Oh, I give credit to George Carlin for most of that.

[burk48237]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

The only thing that's up for debate is the human contribution to global climate change, not climate change itself.

Actually there are four things up for debate.

1) How serious is the change in climate that is occurring and has it leveled off? And have the books been cooked by some in the scientific community, the hockey stick for instance is a complete fraud?

2) Are humans actually contributing to climate change?

3) If so, how much, what percentage?

4) Do humans have the capacity to reverse it?

There has been plenty of other climate changes within history. In the early 1600s we went thru a mini-ice age. In the 1300s we went thru a warming period that in parts of the world were we kept records was warmer than the current period. Humans somehow survived thru those period. I do believe we in the West need to have a smaller Carbon footprint, not because I'm convinced CO2 emissions are changing the climate as much as we simply can't afford all of the stuff we believe we need.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by burk48237

Actually there are four things up for debate.

1) How serious is the change in climate that is occurring and has it leveled off? And have the books been cooked by some in the scientific community, the hockey stick for instance is a complete fraud?

2) Are humans actually contributing to climate change?

3) If so, how much, what percentage?

4) Do humans have the capacity to reverse it?

There has been plenty of other climate changes within history. In the early 1600s we went thru a mini-ice age. In the 1300s we went thru a warming period that in parts of the world were we kept records was warmer than the current period. Humans somehow survived thru those period. I do believe we in the West need to have a smaller Carbon footprint, not because I'm convinced CO2 emissions are changing the climate as much as we simply can't afford all of the stuff we believe we need.

I think you misinterpreted what I said just a bit.

1) My response didn't have much to do with the degree of climate change only it's existence.

2) Agreed.

3) See number 1

4) Didn't directly address this in my response.

[Jim Nazium]

Climate stability has never been a feature of the earth. The planet has been much hotter than it is now, and much colder than it is now, many times. Why is the current average temperature the right one?

Oh, and BTW, I give this thread 3 pages, max.

[PSPookie]

I like the 230kV lattice towers in the picture

SEXY!*


*I have problems.

[Skitch it!]

[PSPookie]

Suhweet! Maybe now the neighborhood pool will be open a few more weeks out of the year

[PersonalTraynor]

Screw climate change! I'm more worried about the coming pole shift!

[NWB]

Originally Posted by Tupac

Uh oh. if this is true, there's really no hope left at this point. But, things will continue business as useful of course. Sad really. Even if, by an odd change of heart, American businesses do start to care, Russia and China will still run the Earth into well... the ground.

I'd speculate that we're likely past the point of "reversing" climate change.

It would be useful if the scientific community would better define the dangers rather than just saying "dangerous levels" or similar statements.

Then again, many of the projections make overstatements about the future availability of carbon energy. Essentially, so much carbon has already been transferred from the geosphere (coal, oil, natural gas, etc.) to the atmosphere that the geosphere doesn't contain as much of those resources as is assumed. Although I doubt that matters a whole lot.

[knumbskull]

"climate change" was invented so a cabal of evil billionnaire scientists who ride around in solid gold limos can kick dirt in the face of poor, innocent manufacturing and oil company CEOs who live in leaky bedsits and just want the best for everyone. FACT.

also, Al Gore is a lizard.

[cjmodulus]

Originally Posted by knumbskull

"climate change" was invented so a cabal of evil billionnaire scientists who ride around in solid gold limos can kick dirt in the face of poor, innocent manufacturing and oil company CEOs who live in leaky bedsits and just want the best for everyone. FACT.

also, Al Gore is a lizard.

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything while I read that

[turbo chicken]

people worry about the water supply ... OMG wait till there's a shortage of oxygen

[metron]

Originally Posted by Internet Police

More greenhouse gases are released by the oceans alone than by humans. The climate has changed even before humans became industrialized. Climate change isn't caused by us and our attempts at reversing it is only proof of the fact that we want to play god. Let the world fix itself. The earth knows what's best better than we do. Oh, I give credit to George Carlin for most of that.

George Carlin was funny but... did you ever actually think about any of that?