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09-16-2009, 12:42 PM
|  | The Lowdown Diggler | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA | | | It's ugly, but I'm curious how this will play out
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with the TB OT master debaters. Personally I think it's typical bully behavior (horrible as it is), that should have been stopped by the bus driver, but because the kids are racially different, there's the mention that this might be racially motivated. What say you? Keep it civil folks. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...B?OpenDocument 
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09-16-2009, 12:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Atlanta | | well with the way our government schools are these days, the bus driver is probably not allowed to touch any student for any reason. I have a friend that is a teacher in a not so good school in atlanta and when i fight breaks out, he is only allowed to stand there and tell them to stop.
I think it should have been broken up, but the driver probably would have gotten fired, and then sued for racism no matter what student he touched... 
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09-16-2009, 12:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London UK | | The story says the police don't think it was racially motivated. Based on the story, that appears to be the case. We used to beat kids up on the bus and we were beaten up when we were young. Sounds pretty normal to me. Perhaps the kid can be directed to the Sci Fi and Fantasy book club thread here on TB. I'm sure he would fit in! 
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09-16-2009, 12:58 PM
|  | NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN! | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada | | I'd say the bus driver was definitely at a huge fault here for doing nothing.  I always thought one of the duties of a driver was to make sure the kids got to and from school in a safe manner. Being beaten does not constitute safe.
As for whether or not it was racially motivated, it's hard to say without seeing the video. You're going to get completely different accounts from both sides, neither of which will be the full truth. It could very well be that it was in fact motivated by race, but on the other hand, children can be little demons and lash out just for the sake of being aggressive and hurtful. It could be that the boys who attacked are just bullies, plain and simple, and would have done it regardless of skin colour. Some people are just like that, sadly. |
09-16-2009, 01:01 PM
|  | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | | Regardless of any bearing the *R* word may or may not have, I'd like to see the two assailants prosecuted a bit harder. Two big effers beating down some poor geek for moving their precious book bag? Unacceptable.
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09-16-2009, 01:02 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hayward, CA | | | Bus driver is at fault. Criminal charges will be filed for everyone, it will be a lawsuit smorgasbord. They ain't gonna make a hate crime stick on a bus full of minors, puh-leeaase. If this kid gotten beaten badly, there will be hefty compensation. |
09-16-2009, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour We used to beat kids up on the bus and we were beaten up when we were young. Sounds pretty normal to me. | this.. I seem to remember alot of school yard and even bus fights when I was young. they never made the news.
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09-16-2009, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban Regardless of any bearing the *R* word may or may not have, I'd like to see the two assailants prosecuted a bit harder. Two big effers beating down some poor geek for moving their precious book bag? Unacceptable. | I think that should be the focus of whatever legal action is taken. Regardless of the motivation behind it, the action in itself is already a significant offence. Quote:
Originally Posted by jojobean39 | Considering that the killing of a hiding burglar in a garage the assailant was not in is generally approved, we should definitely hack into pieces someone who decides to beat down someone else.
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09-16-2009, 01:13 PM
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She said her son even helped the victim after the attacks, picking up his glasses and asking him if he was OK.
| Thanks Buddy!!!......... 
Couldn't help him when he was getting his face beat in??
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09-16-2009, 01:14 PM
|  | Hard rockin' stay-at-home dad | | Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The soggy state of Oregon | | | [quote=Lurker79;7968068]Bus driver is at fault. [quote]
I can tell you that no matter what the bus driver did or didn't do, he will be found to be at fault.
playinpearls is right -- if the bus driver had broken it up, he'd be sued for having "assaulted" the bullies. If he doesn't break it up, he'll get sued for that. It's a lose/lose situation.
Everyone is so litigious these days that I'm kind of glad I'm not teaching any more. |
09-16-2009, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by L-A Considering that the killing of a hiding burglar in a garage the assailant was not in is generally approved, we should definitely hack into pieces someone who decides to beat down someone else. |
Good. Someone agrees with me.  |
09-16-2009, 01:21 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College Station, Texas | | | Somehow the white kid will be called a racist. |
09-16-2009, 01:23 PM
| | The Lowdown Diggler | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Latimour The story says the police don't think it was racially motivated. Based on the story, that appears to be the case. We used to beat kids up on the bus and we were beaten up when we were young. Sounds pretty normal to me. Perhaps the kid can be directed to the Sci Fi and Fantasy book club thread here on TB. I'm sure he would fit in! | While this is true, I can hardly imagine you being part of the "we". It's easier for me to imagine that you were part of the "beaten up" group. 
Still, with that said, I agree. IMO, This just looks like your typical beat down that happens when you're a kid. We've all seen it. |
09-16-2009, 01:29 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rochelle, Illinois | | | I think we should put all the kids involved back on the school bus along with the bus driver and make them drive around for hours and hours and force them to sing "Blowin' in the Wind" (the Dylan version) until they all agree to just get along.
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09-16-2009, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar While this is true, I can hardly imagine you being part of the "we". It's easier for me to imagine that you were part of the "beaten up" group. | You can imagine all you like. I saw your posts in the Sci Fi thread, merely confirmatory as far as I am concerned!
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09-16-2009, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour You can imagine all you like. I saw your posts in the Sci Fi thread, merely confirmatory as far as I am concerned! | I'd rather have posts in the SciFi thread than wear a purse, my man purse wearing friend. 
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09-16-2009, 01:52 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hooksett, NH | | | meh..typical HS fight stuff. Saw plenty of that stuff in my day. Just got caught on tape and now the media is involved. Does it make it right that it is typical bullying. No.
Edit: I don't think it is racially motivated.
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09-16-2009, 02:12 PM
|  | ... you talkin' to me ?? | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: DEEP in the Heart of Texas | | i just see it as a beat-down of another unfortunate , eyeglass wearing , number 2 pencil necked geek ...
and commited by some wannabe hard ass .
skin color dosen't even seem to play into this one ...
unless you're just lookin' to make an issue out of it . 
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09-16-2009, 02:48 PM
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Why is this even in the news?
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